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Cal Carpenter

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147. Actually, the problem with this sort of discussion

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 12:37 PM

Sep 2016

(meaning one based on bad science), distract from scientifically and intellectually honest discussions about ways to improve vaccines. Discussions like this OP do nothing but increase the divide between "pro-vax" vs. "anti-vax" mentalities and leave the actual nuances out of the picture. They make everyone more reactionary and these threads become an ideological shit show rather than a real discussion of any actual problems in vaccines with the goal of improving them.

Can many vaccines be further improved? Yes. Are virtually all vaccines a massive success in harm reduction despite a minuscule number of adverse effects? YES. Does real, good science advance these goals? ABSOLUTELY.

If your goal is to actually IMPROVE vaccines then leave the crap pseudo-science and court decisions (courts are not laboratories; judges are not scientists) and hyperbole and outdated information out of it because you are hurting your cause more than helping it. Stop using sources that are opportunistic fear-mongerers who are twisting bits of truth with lots of lies and misleading info.

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Glyphosate Found in Childhood Vaccines [View all] lovuian Sep 2016 OP

And? linuxman Sep 2016 #1

This is the 3rd time they've used the same fucked up lab Major Nikon Sep 2016 #6

Maybe you don't want an herbicide/pesticide injected into your body - Duh! womanofthehills Sep 2016 #12

Don't use any dollar bills. You are likely to get addicted to cocaine by your logic (see post #9).nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #15

Cocaine is not being injected to my body - bad analogy womanofthehills Sep 2016 #45

Yes it is. You absorb it through your skin from 9 out of 10 paper money bills. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #47

Your comments in this post really speak to a lack of Scientific knowledge. stevenleser Sep 2016 #125

+1,000 nt okaawhatever Sep 2016 #182

It gets even better Major Nikon Sep 2016 #185

But homeopathically, the stuff is lethal...nt SidDithers Sep 2016 #191

Looks like "Mom's Across America" is using the same fucked up pseudoscience lab Major Nikon Sep 2016 #2

And?? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #3

Oh ffs Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #4

Junk Science Botany Sep 2016 #5

Do you have any idea how little .123 parts per billion is? LeftyMom Sep 2016 #7

8 times that much is 1 drop of water in an olympic sized swimming pool Major Nikon Sep 2016 #10

You mean it's not going to kill bermuda grass? LeftyMom Sep 2016 #13

Diluted at the rate of 1 drop per 8 olympic sized swimming pools, probably not Major Nikon Sep 2016 #38

Water has a memory Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #22

you win this thread. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #129

LMAO n/t trotsky Sep 2016 #200

Vaccines cause autism Major Nikon Sep 2016 #8

No. Your scientist says vaccines DO NOT cause autism. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #14

Correct. The post was intended to show the same source as the OP is a dipshit anti-vax site Major Nikon Sep 2016 #39

Maybe Robert F. Kennedy won lots of vaccine injury lawsuits womanofthehills Sep 2016 #65

He's an anti-vaxxer, so it's not surprising that he's your hero Major Nikon Sep 2016 #66

lol -nt Bradical79 Sep 2016 #178

Same bogus kind of statistic as cocaine on dollar bills. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #9

My god! Don't those people know they are swinning in industial solvent?!? LongtimeAZDem Sep 2016 #88

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2016 #11

Vaccine ingredients - latex, mercury, formaldehyde, egg, antiobiotics, dog kidney cells , aluminum womanofthehills Sep 2016 #16

Wackadoo woo MohRokTah Sep 2016 #17

The US flu vaccines are made by about 8 different companies with different formulas womanofthehills Sep 2016 #18

Please stop spreading anti-vaxxer woo. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #19

Time magazine - Some people may get a new flu shot that�s made with dog cells womanofthehills Sep 2016 #40

What is anti-science about listing flu shot ingredients? womanofthehills Sep 2016 #20

When your list is complete anti-vaxxer woo. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #21

CDC list of vaccine ingredients - How is the list WOO - it's just a fact womanofthehills Sep 2016 #51

Did you know high concentrations of table salt and sugar have antibiotic qualities? Essential oils uppityperson Sep 2016 #148

Nothing. Your CONCLUSIONs are anti-science. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #23

You have choices - you can choose a vaccine without mercury womanofthehills Sep 2016 #34

You have choices. You can stop eating. You can become a Breatharian. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #36

You now can choose a clean vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #82

You misspelled two of your scary ingredients. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #91

But "antiobiotics, alluminum" are really scary uppityperson Sep 2016 #149

You also have a choice not to be an anti-vaxxer Major Nikon Sep 2016 #42

Or I could be a pro-vaxxer but want a cleaner flu vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #54

No, you just want to scaremonger while simultaneously claiming not to be an anti-vaxxer Major Nikon Sep 2016 #55

My children and grandchildren have had all their childhood vaccines womanofthehills Sep 2016 #62

You do realize getting the actual flu is a much bigger risk with GBS, right? Major Nikon Sep 2016 #69

You are MUCH more likely to get GBS from having the flu than any vx uppityperson Sep 2016 #150

Let me guess... GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #180

The injuries are not due to the ingredients unless the person is allergic tymorial Sep 2016 #137

The best way to avoid a vx injury is get it in a clinic from a nurse who knows how to safely give vx uppityperson Sep 2016 #152

Antivax shitpost. nt Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #171

Another example of anti-vax nonsense from one of our resident anti-vaxxers Major Nikon Sep 2016 #41

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, BUT.... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #52

People are so uninformed - they don't even know there are 12 different flu vaccines this season womanofthehills Sep 2016 #63

"People are so uninformed" Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #193

So we are not to discuss any problems with vaccines - zero discussion allowed womanofthehills Sep 2016 #71

Actually, the problem with this sort of discussion Cal Carpenter Sep 2016 #147

I've yet to meet an anti-vaxxer who admits they are anti-vax. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #56

Post #54 Major Nikon Sep 2016 #59

Look at this list of vaccine injuries in babies - most are from the flu vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #61

Just more proof you have no clue about cause and effect Major Nikon Sep 2016 #64

Other countries can sue pharma and they have changed some of their vaccines to make them safer womanofthehills Sep 2016 #70

Jebus, you trot out the right wing loon, Mercola and now the right wing loon, Jeffry Aufderheide Major Nikon Sep 2016 #74

It really doesn't matter about the link - it's a fact - Japan now gives measles, mumps and rubella womanofthehills Sep 2016 #80

Sure, just a coincidence your get your "facts" from anti-vax right wing loons Major Nikon Sep 2016 #84

I see 2 in there that indicate improper administration. Infants get shots not in their shoulder but uppityperson Sep 2016 #154

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #75

You can thank biotech and GMO Major Nikon Sep 2016 #92

I think it's a big step in the right direction womanofthehills Sep 2016 #119

Agreed. GMO has all sorts of tangible benefits Major Nikon Sep 2016 #121

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2016 #94

You post YouTube cartoons? Mr Maru Sep 2016 #95

Never eat at a restaurant! They use aluminum pots and more of that gets into food! . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #24

are you really suggesting people shouldnt vaccinate their kids? Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #25

I'm suggesting people look at the different flu vaccine and make an educated choice womanofthehills Sep 2016 #26

"Educated choice" Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #29

To her it means education from quacks and cranks Major Nikon Sep 2016 #46

Add another loon to the list Major Nikon Sep 2016 #77

You actually have a choice of about 15 vaccines including the pure Flublock womanofthehills Sep 2016 #81

Educated = choice based upon the woo narrative tymorial Sep 2016 #140

Right, but that's not the proper definition of educated. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #172

Oh I absolutely agree tymorial Sep 2016 #174

oh, but you're talking about more than just the flu vaccine, aren't you. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #30

Not really, the childhood vaccines are very safe now womanofthehills Sep 2016 #73

So the list in post #16 only applies to the annual flu vaccine, then. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #78

Childhood vaccines have a good safety record compared to flu vaccines womanofthehills Sep 2016 #83

You are parroting out more anti-vax nonsense Major Nikon Sep 2016 #106

Dog kidney cells?! More vaccines made in a lab mathematic Sep 2016 #28

No, not "dog". Cocker spaniels! uppityperson Sep 2016 #37

Actually I don't know why Novartis picked Cocker Spaniels womanofthehills Sep 2016 #67

It's a cell line, not "female cocker spaniels". The cell line was started in 1958. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #89

Actually it's a cell line from a cocker spaniel in 1958. You do know they grew vxs in horse serum, uppityperson Sep 2016 #144

Yeah, as opposed to using chicken embryos Major Nikon Sep 2016 #53

Actually it's a new different process womanofthehills Sep 2016 #79

None of them contain any fucking latex in the medication itself. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #86

Except you're an anti-vaxxer that prefers to promote right wing anti-vax sites to vaccines Major Nikon Sep 2016 #90

...So you're switching antibiotics for a GMO? Lancero Sep 2016 #96

Now you prefer to inject yourself with a vx made with GMOs? uppityperson Sep 2016 #146

That glass of water on my table Sgent Sep 2016 #58

Evidence and reality are just technicalities that can be easily avoided if one tries hard enough Major Nikon Sep 2016 #60

Woooooooo.... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #27

you kind of knew eventually these two deals would hook up. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #31

They'll be hanging with the flat-earthers and global warming denialists in no time. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #32

No, they've been that way all along Major Nikon Sep 2016 #57

I think I've been subjected to that wisdom once or twice Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #76

oh, and do not forget GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #181

Same. nt Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #194

Separate groups. immoderate Sep 2016 #33

Not according to article in the OP. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #35

Rarely yes Major Nikon Sep 2016 #48

Not really, they have a tendency to congregate together, you should check out the... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #126

See the Time Magazine article above - and CDC info below - Madin-Darby Canine Kidney womanofthehills Sep 2016 #44

Yeah, nice job of editing the Time article by adding emphasis where there was none Major Nikon Sep 2016 #49

It's obvious you have NO idea what you're talking about. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #50

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #97

Sometimes stupidity has it's own level of toxicity Major Nikon Sep 2016 #102

This is not "anti-vaxxer shitbaggery" PatSeg Sep 2016 #132

Which is equally as nutty, but do go on with your bad self... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #138

Thank you for enlightening me PatSeg Sep 2016 #143

I have a question, can you give a mechanism of action describing how glyphosate is dangerous... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #151

Because you are really interested? PatSeg Sep 2016 #153

Curious, mostly, I mean, I would be happy to change my mind if actual evidence was presented. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #159

Okay, I'm sorry PatSeg Sep 2016 #161

Your civility is as broad as is your relevant knowledge. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #196

I find civility is wasted on the alt-reality crowd. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #199

ok still_one Sep 2016 #43

From that Science Based Medicine article radical noodle Sep 2016 #85

Glyphosate is less toxic than table salt or household vinegar Major Nikon Sep 2016 #93

Are you sure you don't mean dihydrogen monoxide? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #98

... Major Nikon Sep 2016 #100

How do they get the level this low? Cicada Sep 2016 #68

The lab that the crank site, "Mom's Across America" uses isn't certified Major Nikon Sep 2016 #72

Agreed, Roundup is in everything now womanofthehills Sep 2016 #87

So is hydric acid Major Nikon Sep 2016 #101

I am so very tired of woo tymorial Sep 2016 #99

Anti "glyphosate" PatSeg Sep 2016 #133

Give me a break. tymorial Sep 2016 #135

Woo Hoo to You Too! PatSeg Sep 2016 #141

Does this mean another year ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #103

Anti-vaxxers at DU should be treated the same as chemtrailers...nt SidDithers Sep 2016 #104

Yup ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #105

Chemtrail stupidity never killed anyone Major Nikon Sep 2016 #107

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2016 #110

Same level of ignorance ... but anti-vax nonsense poses a clear and present danger ... etherealtruth Sep 2016 #127

I wish. Starry Messenger Sep 2016 #165

Or birthers -nt Bradical79 Sep 2016 #179

So many elitists on DU that don't even have a scientific background Harmony Blue Sep 2016 #108

Seneff and Seralini are both crank magnet quacks who make their living peddling pseudoscience Major Nikon Sep 2016 #109

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #114

The IARC specifically rejected Seralini's research as complete shit Major Nikon Sep 2016 #122

You cite Seneff AND Seralini? Archae Sep 2016 #115

Give me a break - Seralini's study was exactly the same as Monsanto's only way way longer womanofthehills Sep 2016 #118

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2016 #128

Anyone referencing Seralini has no business questioning the scientific background of DU posters...nt SidDithers Sep 2016 #123

i do have a scientific background and fearmongering is not science. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #130

Woo posts belong in Creative Speculation and nowhere else. SwankyXomb Sep 2016 #131

And asbestos as well PatSeg Sep 2016 #134

"Elitists", you mean people who actually know a thing or two about chemistry and biology? Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #136

Yeah right PatSeg Sep 2016 #142

From what I can tell, you fail high school level science with the BS you spout... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #145

I really don't know how you PatSeg Sep 2016 #156

I'm basing it on all your past posting history, not just this thread. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #158

I will abstain PatSeg Sep 2016 #160

Actually I have nothing to be afraid of with my posting history, here, do you want help? Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #162

Ha, ha! PatSeg Sep 2016 #164

I don't. Who do you mean by "elitist"? uppityperson Sep 2016 #163

I'm sorry PatSeg Sep 2016 #166

Aha, thank you, I appreciate it. Nt uppityperson Sep 2016 #167

Who do you mean by "elitists"? uppityperson Sep 2016 #168

It makes sense, as many vaccines are made with eggs - and glyphosate levels in eggs are higher womanofthehills Sep 2016 #111

You also think right wing loons make sense Major Nikon Sep 2016 #112

You are the one who seems to have a problem with all the progressive sites womanofthehills Sep 2016 #116

Sure, "all" of them Major Nikon Sep 2016 #120

Their science is as bad as their editing. Merck, not Merk, Novartis, not Novaris. RayOfHope Sep 2016 #113

Wait, they misspelled the vaccines in the article? uppityperson Sep 2016 #157

They misspelled the names of two of the manufacturers, Merck and Novartis. RayOfHope Sep 2016 #175

Same nutbag claimed organic food cures autism, fibromyaglia, and Crohn's Major Nikon Sep 2016 #186

It is mighty elitist GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #183

Using ELISA for this kind of work, and then releasing the results publicly? Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #117

lolz obamanut2012 Sep 2016 #124

Woo site. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #139

wow zappaman Sep 2016 #155

And in everything else, too. MineralMan Sep 2016 #169

Here is just another leg in the Monsanto regime that won't work nolabels Sep 2016 #170

Science just has to evolve too Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #177

You can observe weed adaptations by just mowing your lawn Major Nikon Sep 2016 #184

Actually grass is the reason we walk mostly on our hind legs nolabels Sep 2016 #189

Had we not developed intelligence we would still be living in trees throwing our shit at each other Major Nikon Sep 2016 #195

We never got to choose what that environment was and we adapted to most of them nolabels Sep 2016 #198

It's no doubt found in infants' amniotic fluid and mothers' breast milk as well. Your point? Hekate Sep 2016 #173

and our kids don't have weeds Enrique Sep 2016 #176

Does this mean we can lump all the anti-vax and GMO hysteria threads together now? msanthrope Sep 2016 #187

For the love of Athena... anti-vaxxers need to learn what the term trace means! Nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2016 #188

So, it's Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #190

Aiiiiiiiieeeeee!!! progressoid Sep 2016 #192

Willful ignorance is a scary thing Blecht Sep 2016 #197