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In reply to the discussion: Snowden LIVE now on Facebook: [View all]YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)16. Read this:
Civil liberties and individual rights have different meanings for different groups of people. They also have different priorities depending on social contexts. A review of black history suggests that considerations of civil liberties are always embedded within concepts of equality and social justice. In other words by design or necessity, black people have focused on our collective rights over our individual liberties. This makes sense in a society where we dont just assume individual black guilt and suspicion. We are all guilty and we are all suspicious (even if we may want to deny this reality). In that context, individual liberties and rights take a back seat to a collective struggle for emancipation and freedom.
Additionally, as a people, we have always known that it is impossible for us to exercise our individual rights within a context of more generalized social, economic, and political oppression. Individual rights are necessarily rooted within a larger social context. Civil liberty concerns take a back seat to putting food on the table and to survival more generally. To guarantee our individual rights as black people, we know that we must address broader social concerns. We dont have the luxury to ignore this fact. For others not to understand this reality is to foreclose on any opportunities to recruit more black people to the cause of dismantling the surveillance state.
Additionally, as a people, we have always known that it is impossible for us to exercise our individual rights within a context of more generalized social, economic, and political oppression. Individual rights are necessarily rooted within a larger social context. Civil liberty concerns take a back seat to putting food on the table and to survival more generally. To guarantee our individual rights as black people, we know that we must address broader social concerns. We dont have the luxury to ignore this fact. For others not to understand this reality is to foreclose on any opportunities to recruit more black people to the cause of dismantling the surveillance state.
Black people are disproportionately incarcerated in the U.S. Prisoners have no presumption of privacy; that idea is an abstraction. Blacks are disproportionately subjected to bodily searches and seizures through practices like stop and frisk. Stop and frisk is a neon no tresspassing sign for young black people in particular. Unfortunately too many of us have become acclimated to the daily assaults on our persons and the trampling of our individual rights. Can you blame us? If you are a black woman, then you may have the direct experience of the state policing your body in various ways. Many of us resist policies intended to do this but some of us dont (for a number of good and bad reasons).
The examples that I have cited suggest that for most of us (black people) government surveillance and being perceived as threats are a daily fact of life; not an academic/analytical exercise. Many black people living in public housing, for example, can attest to the fact that they arent seen as having any privacy rights when law enforcement routinely kicks down their doors supposedly looking for narcotics.
Black people know that the state and its gatekeepers exert their control over all aspects of our lives. So when we mention that the NSA surveillance regime isnt new to us, the appropriate response is not to mock, ridicule, belittle and berate. No. The response that conveys solidarity and a desire to partner is to say: Yes thats true and while I may have been personally concerned about these issues, I am sorry that more of my peers havent been outraged for years. How can we work together to dismantle the surveillance state that harms us all?
Check your privilege, please.
Check your privilege, please.
http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/2013/06/12/on-some-black-people-and-the-surveillance-state/
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NO. I can see he didn't want to end up in a prison for life in solitary like Manning.
Coyotl
Sep 2016
#25
You're confused. He was just fine with secret surveillance until Obama came along. Hmmmm......
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2016
#27
The o.p. jumped in to the discussion when I mentioned Amy Goodman, but he won't defend...
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2016
#43
why was his passport canceled, I will help you, there was a warrant issued for his arrest,
Thinkingabout
Sep 2016
#42
The authoritarians don't want their illegal activities exposed, hence the warrant
cpwm17
Sep 2016
#45
Do you think every time a warrant for arrest is only issued because authoritarians do not want their
Thinkingabout
Sep 2016
#48
Right. And there's nothing in the constitution that says a defendant gets to dictate the criteria of
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2016
#47
If it was such a huge "favor", why do 2/3 of the American people feel he broke the law & should....
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2016
#44
Fact check: 5 key parts of Oliver Stone's 'Snowden' biopic that don't match reality
Blue_Tires
Sep 2016
#21
Snowden Live = Live Q&A from Moscow = A special event in cinemas nationwide TODAY
Coyotl
Sep 2016
#22
There is evidence of Snowden committing espionage, he could have his day in court, why can't
Thinkingabout
Sep 2016
#26
Guess you don't know enough about Snowden in this situation, perhaps you should not be encouraging
Thinkingabout
Sep 2016
#29
If you know more than the ACLU, Amnesty & Human Rights Watch, pray tell us what you know.
Coyotl
Sep 2016
#32
Right, so all the counties that post a list of their active warrants are what, doing it wrong?
BobbyDrake
Sep 2016
#51
I think the indictment speaks for me. Perhaps you can tell us why Snowden is so
msanthrope
Sep 2016
#34
VIDEO "Pardon Snowden" Campaign Launches, Led by ACLU, Amnesty & Human Rights Watch
Coyotl
Sep 2016
#31
Few people here give a shit what Amy Goodman of Russia Today is pushing these days. n/t
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2016
#36
You are ill informed. Amy Goodman is the host of Democracy Now, nothing to do with RT.
Coyotl
Sep 2016
#37
Goodman was always a staple on Russian backed tv, which is where I lost respect for her, and...
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2016
#40