Industry sucks, but this is a more balanced take on the story. (Reply #33)

In the discussion thread: Saturated fat causes heart disease, eh? I wonder who told us that? [View all]

Response to GliderGuider (Original post)

Wed Sep 14, 2016, 01:10 PM

HuckleB (35,773 posts)

33. Industry sucks, but this is a more balanced take on the story.

It argues that all industry sucks, basically.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/sugar-industry-research/

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I think this latest round of information can only be understood in the context of the longstanding diet wars. Heart disease has become the number one cause of death, as life expectancy has increased and we have reduced many other causes of mortality.

Overweight and obesity are also diseases of modern civilization which is characterized by abundance and an increasingly sedentary lifestyle. Further, the food industry is driven by market forces which favor tasty foods, which often means being high in fat and/or sugar.

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A recent study comparing high fat, high sugar, and a “prudent” diet (essentially a moderate diet) also reveals this basic pattern of not seeing much difference. They looked at all cause mortality, heart deaths and heart events. The high fat diet was associated with increased overall mortality, but not heart deaths or events. The high sugar diet was associated with a borderline but not significant trend toward higher heart deaths and events but not overall deaths. The prudent diet had no increased risk.

There are also various food industries that would love for the research to show that the food they produce is the healthiest – for example, the sugar industry, the dairy industry, and the meat industry. All these industries fund research hoping to show that their product is healthful.

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66 replies	Author	Time	Post
Saturated fat causes heart disease, eh? I wonder who told us that? [View all]	GliderGuider	Sep 2016	OP
Certain fats are better than others	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#1
IMO the key is to consume a variety of high-quality fats, with an emphasis on saturated fats.	GliderGuider	Sep 2016	#2
We need experiments	Cicada	Sep 2016	#4
Because that would be grossly unethical, for one thing.	Orrex	Sep 2016	#6
But SCIENCE!	FrodosPet	Sep 2016	#9
Tilting at straw dogs, Frodo? You've left out half of what science actually does.	Nitram	Sep 2016	#12
+1	progressoid	Sep 2016	#48
Some forms of buddhism	Chiquitita	Sep 2016	#49
Actually, Chiquita, you are correct.	Nitram	Sep 2016	#50
What a bunch of tripe. nt	awoke_in_2003	Sep 2016	#45
So ethics has no place in science?	FrodosPet	Sep 2016	#46
No, I am objecting	awoke_in_2003	Sep 2016	#47
Your point is well taken, Frodo.	Nitram	Sep 2016	#51
Giving people food when they are hungry is not hazardous	Cicada	Sep 2016	#54
No it would not be unethical	Cicada	Sep 2016	#53
Unethical and dishonest.	Orrex	Sep 2016	#55
So just let them starve. Good ethical choice.	Cicada	Sep 2016	#62
Ah, yes. The false dichotomy. Classic!	Orrex	Sep 2016	#64
This is sick	madokie	Sep 2016	#8
Two words: Tuskeegee Experiment.	nolabear	Sep 2016	#16
Um...............	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#25
Seriously? That would be incredibly unethical.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Sep 2016	#30
Like the Quaker Oats radioactive oatmeal experiment?	suffragette	Sep 2016	#31
Jesus H Chrysler. I'd never heard of that one. Thanks for posting it.	Maru Kitteh	Sep 2016	#36
I learned about it years ago on DU.	suffragette	Sep 2016	#39
It is an excellent example of the powerful using the weak as "disposable" people	Maru Kitteh	Sep 2016	#41
I wish I could recommend your post. It is absolutely spot on.	suffragette	Sep 2016	#42
Ethics classes in high school	Maru Kitteh	Sep 2016	#34
Won't help the psychopaths	womanofthehills	Sep 2016	#60
so it would seem nt	Maru Kitteh	Sep 2016	#65
Guacamole	tymorial	Sep 2016	#3
Guac	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#26
Your post shows how well the propaganda has worked. You cannot put Betty Crocker frosting	Chakab	Sep 2016	#15
It makes sense	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#27
Eating well isn't too difficult	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#28
Hemp oil	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#44
Many people don't know sugar raises triglycerides/cholesterol	wishstar	Sep 2016	#5
How did you manage to eliminate sugar?	SunSeeker	Sep 2016	#14
It's easier than you think. I've been maintaining my weight with a keto diet for a couple of years	Chakab	Sep 2016	#17
Yes, my doctor said that about the cravings going away when you eliminate sugar.	SunSeeker	Sep 2016	#22
How about stevia?	True Dough	Sep 2016	#32
I wish many items were made with it that aren't! I like the taste, and don't notice anything n/t	Divine Discontent	Sep 2016	#66
It's in everything?	knightmaar	Sep 2016	#18
I have a 12 year old and work full time.	SunSeeker	Sep 2016	#20
That ain't easy	knightmaar	Sep 2016	#21
I spent a couple of months on a ketogenic diet recently. I'm hoping to resume it.	nolabear	Sep 2016	#19
Shop on the outside aisles of the supermarket	womanofthehills	Sep 2016	#56
I'm going to wait a week until the prevailing wisdom switches 180° again	Orrex	Sep 2016	#7
When I was a whippersnapper,,,,,	Cryptoad	Sep 2016	#11
Fortunately I discovered Adele Davis	PatSeg	Sep 2016	#10
I discovered her than too	womanofthehills	Sep 2016	#57
Many lessons I've learned from her	PatSeg	Sep 2016	#63
high-fructose corn syrup	Botany	Sep 2016	#13
Yuck! Lots of trains in my area with tank cars full of corn syrup	womanofthehills	Sep 2016	#58
How about you just eat smaller portions, snack less and exercise more?	Tommy_Carcetti	Sep 2016	#23
Different people have different dietary issues.	GliderGuider	Sep 2016	#24
There are plenty of other sources that confirm this research.	Blue Idaho	Sep 2016	#29
Remember when we were told to avoid egg yokes - we were just supposed to eat the white	womanofthehills	Sep 2016	#59
Industry sucks, but this is a more balanced take on the story.	HuckleB	Sep 2016	#33
Well how am I supposed to panic when you post level-headed stuff like this?	Orrex	Sep 2016	#35
Lolz! Reasonable people SUCK!	Maru Kitteh	Sep 2016	#38
Apparently you can still get angry!	HuckleB	Sep 2016	#40
Actually Novella is in with industry	womanofthehills	Sep 2016	#61
Well, it sort of does, but all saturated fats aren't alike	Warpy	Sep 2016	#37
One of the researchers went on to help create US dietary guidelines	suffragette	Sep 2016	#43
Sugar Coated (documentary)	Locrian	Sep 2016	#52

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