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True Dough

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69. What a completely unreasonable post!

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:34 PM

Sep 2016

First of all, you make a claim that "Liberals" will rush to blame the woman and "you can see if (it) up-thread." I don't see any evidence of that at all. The message I'm getting from forum members here is that these accused men should be tried and, if found guilty, prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. So let's not try to misconstrue things.

Secondly, far right parties are rising in a number of European nations and it's disturbing, just as it's troubling that Donald Trump is making a run at POTUS. Does that make their politics palatable? Not even close.

And let's suppose that your premise is correct and there are higher crime rates among Muslims in Europe. What's your solution?
You gonna round 'em all up and ship 'em out?

How about in the U.S. where there's a disproportionately higher crime rate among African Americans? You would propose the same solution in America too? "Send them all back to where they came from?"

Sounds Trumpian to me.

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France: Three Algerian men arrested after they gang rape a woman near the Eiffel Tower [View all] davidn3600 Sep 2016 OP

Is the fact that they are Algerian relevant somehow? MineralMan Sep 2016 #1

+++++ uppityperson Sep 2016 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author XemaSab Sep 2016 #3

"Is the fact that they are Algerian relevant somehow?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #4

Three men, out of half a million Algerians in France. MineralMan Sep 2016 #5

"We don't know, do we?" linuxman Sep 2016 #6

"It's one incident." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #7

"One incident looks like a pattern." Logic. kwassa Sep 2016 #9

The logic of observation. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #10

The logic of prejudice, more likely. kwassa Sep 2016 #11

What makes it prejudice? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #13

"Did their culture teach them they are entitled" makes it prejudice. Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #65

It wasn't college students sexually assaulting thousands across Europe on New Years. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #66

No, it's male college students from a culture of entitlement sexually assulting thousands across the Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #67

You but you condemn those while granting a license to others. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #70

That's what you have done, not I. I grant license to none. Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #71

Where have I fretted about about frat boys being too put upon? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #72

You demonstrate confusion. Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #81

Unless the fact of certain privileged cultures institutionalizing rape is raised. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83

This seems like a totally unprovoked personal attack. stone space Sep 2016 #86

What pattern do you think you're seeing from MineralMan Sep 2016 #15

Well, I know you tend to condemn rape culture Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #23

Rape is rape.It is always to be condemned. MineralMan Sep 2016 #24

And yet, some cultures make rape an explicit expression of their mores. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #25

Which ones, please? MineralMan Sep 2016 #26

So your earlier posts speaking out against rape culture were posted with no personal Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #27

Yes, a pattern of men raping women. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #43

It happens more where Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #47

Like college campuses and the US military? nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #48

Then your demand we ignore these instances seem tainted by ideology. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #50

Um, no, I just prefer to not use the issue as a cudgel against minority groups. nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #60

Truth shouldn't be seen as a cudgel; it's a force for liberation. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #64

1 incident here, another one there - lots of them adding up patsimp Sep 2016 #61

MineralMan! I applaud your stance! True Dough Sep 2016 #45

It is relevant. Algerians treat women worse than dogs. underahedgerow Sep 2016 #21

There's lots of history between Algeria and France Major Nikon Sep 2016 #8

Relevant insofar as it's part of the story Orrex Sep 2016 #14

Where someone is from is worthy of note in news stories. MineralMan Sep 2016 #16

"What conclusions do you draw from three men from Algeria raping a woman in France?" Orrex Sep 2016 #17

I don't know. MineralMan Sep 2016 #18

Local international stories are frequently posted in GD Orrex Sep 2016 #19

Hmm... MineralMan Sep 2016 #20

What are you arguing, exactly? Orrex Sep 2016 #22

It's not part of the headline. The headline is "Three men charged in alleged gang-rape near Eiffel Chathamization Sep 2016 #35

I didn't claim that it was part of the headline. Orrex Sep 2016 #40

According to advocacy groups, rape is very high in Muslim countries Albertoo Sep 2016 #41

Sheesh is there anything Canada doesn't do right? Egnever Sep 2016 #44

Um, Nickleback? Justin Bieber? Dr. Strange Sep 2016 #52

No one on DU wants to see this kind of statistic. cwydro Sep 2016 #49

As long as ostriches don't get raped, I suppose it's all good? Albertoo Sep 2016 #51

There ya go. cwydro Sep 2016 #54

No, no, no. That would be protected-religion-ophobic. Albertoo Sep 2016 #55

Lol. cwydro Sep 2016 #57

Lone preachers in the desert can work miracles, I hear Albertoo Sep 2016 #58

Zero dark green countries :-( (nt) TacoD Sep 2016 #59

Oh if they were American that'd be mentioned to. I say good. The country origin can be mentioned. yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #30

It's pandering to the Islamophobic bigot crowd. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #32

Thank you. MineralMan Sep 2016 #33

It is relevant = see the make-up of rapists in Sweden Albertoo Sep 2016 #36

Bring back the guillotine! GOLGO 13 Sep 2016 #12

Probably the first ever instance of gang rape in France. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #28

Is the rape of the woman in the OP justified because of this? Marengo Sep 2016 #31

Did you really read that in what I posted? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #34

It's not relevant in any other context. Marengo Sep 2016 #39

It's not what you posted... it's why you posted it. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #53

Par for the course. n/t trotsky Sep 2016 #56

That is the only interpretation. Marr Sep 2016 #63

What is sickening is trying to categorize a population based on the acts of a few. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #87

You have to be joking Albertoo Sep 2016 #37

The world is getting scarier and scarier. Initech Sep 2016 #29

Yup. 2008 crisis, populisms on the rise: smells like 1936 Albertoo Sep 2016 #38

Julius Streicher helped 1936 get going. Let's not have any part closeupready Sep 2016 #42

Let's not be like the unsuspecting "Spaniards" of 711 either Albertoo Sep 2016 #46

So many liberals will shit on the woman here so they can climb on their 'you're a bigot' soapbox. Marr Sep 2016 #62

Superb post, thanks. n/t MicaelS Sep 2016 #68

What a completely unreasonable post! True Dough Sep 2016 #69

My premise most certainly *is* correct, and supported by unbiased crime stats. Marr Sep 2016 #73

Again, I haven't seen anyone here who is True Dough Sep 2016 #74

At what price is inclusion worth it? romanic Sep 2016 #75

At what price is fear, greed, prejudice and cold-heartedness worth it? True Dough Sep 2016 #79

And this fantastic post deserves some space here True Dough Sep 2016 #80

Like I give a damn. romanic Sep 2016 #89

Oh Romanic True Dough Sep 2016 #90

What are the unbiased stats? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #82

It pretty much is Trumpian Chathamization Sep 2016 #84

Good points True Dough Sep 2016 #85

+1000... It's phony-liberalism in the pursuit of ego. True Earthling Sep 2016 #76

Perhaps from some True Dough Sep 2016 #78

"virtue signalling" Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #88

Thank you Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #77