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JDPriestly

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23. I have several friends who refuse to support Obama this time around because they

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:40 PM

Jun 2012

say he is the same as Bush and might as well be a Republican.

They say, and I agree, that he has not been progressive enough to make good progress on our country's problems.

I am working for Obama, but so far I have not found an argument persuasive enough to get these friends on the Obama campaign or at least willing to vote for Obama.

I would like suggestions about arguments to use with these people that are more appealing and likely to be effective than that their ideas are "disgusting."

Any suggestions?

This is addressed to all DUers.

I have pointed out that if Romney becomes president, he will appoint Republicans most likely extremely stupid, short-sighted, right-wing Republicans not just to the Court but to every presidential advisory committee, every cabinet department, the CIA, the military intelligence, to everything. It would be horrible.

I am not changing their minds. Please -- any ideas?

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Former Obama professor calls for the President to be defeated. [View all] kentuck Jun 2012 OP

This is completely DISGUSTING. tabatha Jun 2012 #1

I have several friends who refuse to support Obama this time around because they JDPriestly Jun 2012 #23

Secretary of State Grover Norquist. LiberalAndProud Jun 2012 #25

So true. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #141

Remind your friends also that Rmoney is surrounding himself with the same neocons TheDebbieDee Jun 2012 #39

Yes, surrounded by Bush foreign policy and economic advisors. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #86

I had friends like that in 2000 & 2004 aikoaiko Jun 2012 #40

Yes. A couple of them probably voted Green, but most voted Democratic in the past. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #142

Who would you rather have appointing the next Supreme Court Justice? One of the 99 Jun 2012 #42

But, if the election is close and we lose the House again and only hold the Senate by one or two... KoKo Jun 2012 #115

Still better than the right wing ideologues that One of the 99 Jun 2012 #125

And the worst of it is some of the very conservative Democrats like Lieberman who JDPriestly Jun 2012 #143

tell them to enjoy Romney... progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #52

SCOTUS GCP Jun 2012 #76

+1 (nt) enough Jun 2012 #117

If Romney wins, the poor, elderly and disadvantaged will be destroyed. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #88

Yes. Many are not faring well already, but under a Republican president, especially JDPriestly Jun 2012 #144

If they think Romney is a preferable alternative then I'm surprised lunatica Jun 2012 #97

Tell them you need their help. jeff47 Jun 2012 #134

Thanks again. You responded with this here first, but I read it here after reading your other post. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #140

Alright, so I am guilty of: Xyzse Jun 2012 #153

Head of Health and Human Services: Newt Gingrich (nt) ehrnst Jun 2012 #156

And Romney's going to 'advance the progressive cause' any better? postulater Jun 2012 #2

People sometimes confuse me.. a lot. ananda Jun 2012 #3

He gives every appearance of being as anal as his brother, Felix. . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #4

That's odd... kentuck Jun 2012 #5

Lol!! nt Alenne Jun 2012 #6

DUzy pipoman Jun 2012 #17

Mitt Romney thanks you for the vote. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #7

Romney will help the progressive cause! killbotfactory Jun 2012 #8

The predicted progressive counter-revolution never (really) materialized either Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #27

So, Professor! Who in the fuck are you going to vote for? longship Jun 2012 #9

Thank you Professor Ivory Tower. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #10

he is actually very active politically Enrique Jun 2012 #20

I know who he is aikoaiko Jun 2012 #36

He IS active politically....in Brazil. He has done NOTHING to help... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #94

So Unger Mz Pip Jun 2012 #11

We need to be more than sarcastic. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #24

I doubt being reasonable will help much either Mz Pip Jun 2012 #87

I laughed at what you said even though it's sad that he's doing this renate Jun 2012 #67

Great logic. The Tea Party is the new progressive party. freshwest Jun 2012 #12

Looks like someone didn't get his pony (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #13

Fuck you, Unger. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #14

Closet Republican? Have you even read the guy's Wikipedia page? white_wolf Jun 2012 #68

Actions are louder than words. His words say "progressive" GarroHorus Jun 2012 #75

why post this here? bigtree Jun 2012 #15

My only hope was that he wants us to be able to refute this guy... There are virtually no details on freshwest Jun 2012 #26

just Google him Enrique Jun 2012 #38

This ain't Latin America, though. I agree that economic freedom is first. But he's not clear enough. freshwest Jun 2012 #41

Because this is a DISCUSSION forum and that is why we are here. Wow. n-t Logical Jun 2012 #37

Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2012 #44

I 100% agree. They need a "Obama is perfect" forum for these people. I am sick of it. n-t Logical Jun 2012 #82

There is one. I forgot the name of it but in DU 2 some DUers had the link Autumn Jun 2012 #114

we don't just post EVERYTHING here just for sake of discussion bigtree Jun 2012 #96

I think some here, maybe you, take every complaint about Obama as being a slam.... Logical Jun 2012 #101

you see, I was specific about my complaint bigtree Jun 2012 #106

LOL, with us or against us. I get it. Carry on. n-t Logical Jun 2012 #107

at what point does this page become a billboard for rw-tripe? bigtree Jun 2012 #109

I like reading lots of different points of view Mojorabbit Jun 2012 #58

You should alert on it Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #110

ohh bigtree Jun 2012 #111

Oooh! Oooh! Can anyone guess the professor's DU screenname? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #16

FlamingMoran? n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #54

Sid Unger. rug Jun 2012 #78

Ram it, Professor Unger. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #18

"Of course, I've got MY tenure, so it's all academic to me (if I clench my butt tighter maybe these NBachers Jun 2012 #19

I could only take 27 seconds of that. Webster Green Jun 2012 #21

No, Obama won't advance the progressive cause Autumn Jun 2012 #22

wonder if the Professor KNOWS that the republicans control the House? n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #55

I'm sure he does. It doesn't matter either way. n/t Autumn Jun 2012 #83

I have a friend who lost his house thanks to the lies of a mortgage company. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #28

I think I posted a fair argument elsewhere on the page... kentuck Jun 2012 #29

he acknowledges there will be costs of an Obama loss Enrique Jun 2012 #33

I think it would be easy to win these types of voters back by making some policy adjustments. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #47

I find the idea of a Romney presidency terrifying.... nenagh Jun 2012 #64

Since when did Brazillian politicians mean dick in American politics? bluedigger Jun 2012 #30

How do you get a Harvard Professorship when you're stupid? treestar Jun 2012 #31

Failing to deliver and flipping off your base has consequences MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #32

Concerned Remember Jun 2012 #34

enjoy Romney. I hear he'll be WAY better for your problems. n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #56

It gets really old with the enjoy Romney statement Mojorabbit Jun 2012 #61

We all know what the alternative is, which is why this progressive professor pacalo Jun 2012 #71

I do not agree that a discussion of this professor's beliefs Mojorabbit Jun 2012 #89

To Mojorabbit Remember Jun 2012 #98

Apparently part of your concerns are due to faulty memory jeff47 Jun 2012 #138

Newt Gingrich made the same call today. n/t countingbluecars Jun 2012 #35

G�tterd�mmerung. Just have a disaster to burn our mistakes away and start fresh. pa28 Jun 2012 #43

I agree. I don't want ot be one of those sacrificed either, but OTOH it is going to happen Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #137

Who cares. Zax2me Jun 2012 #45

What the heck? This makes no sense Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #46

I don't understand the anger here from Obama loyalists. Marr Jun 2012 #48

Well said. nt woo me with science Jun 2012 #50

But, we're a tiny minority with super powers. At once helpless and able to exert irresistible Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #57

ROFL! Nailed it! woo me with science Jun 2012 #65

There's a minute of my life I'll never get back WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #77

Took you a whole minute to read that? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #112

Shit WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #145

LOL! n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #148

"Anger"? Try revulsion. They're different animals. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #60

Actually Obama's approval rating among Liberal Dems remains high emulatorloo Jun 2012 #92

You're right; I hope these horrible, demanding, never -satisfied people treestar Jun 2012 #95

The guy said that "Obama must be defeated". How does that help the progressive cause? scheming daemons Jun 2012 #124

Obama's supporters are liberal. Why do you claim otherwise? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #127

Those are the only choices... kentuck Jun 2012 #129

There is no neither. jeff47 Jun 2012 #139

He actually seems like the socialist/communist that baggers said taught Obama. LOL. nt GusFring Jun 2012 #49

what an asshole. Guess he bought that "no difference between Gore and Bush" thing too. progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #51

Cool. By WHOM, exactly? CakeGrrl Jun 2012 #53

He's looking for money Politicalboi Jun 2012 #59

It's the same thinking that gave us Bush II. Problem is, folks like the professor don't have the... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #62

I agree with a lot of what he says...completely disagree with his overall statement though ibegurpard Jun 2012 #63

Does Unger have no comprehension of how American government coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #66

Some people just need to get some lime light and Youtube is their source Maraya1969 Jun 2012 #69

out of touch fucking idiot JI7 Jun 2012 #70

I believe that many people agree with the professor KatChatter Jun 2012 #72

Awww the little man just wants attention and faux news and Limpballs will give it to him Happydayz Jun 2012 #73

Fuck the puritopians...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #74

And up with the Prostrators! whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #85

And Romney would advance the progressive cause better? LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #79

Bet he voted for Reagan ... TWICE NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #80

So we need a completely screwed-up Supreme Court mainer Jun 2012 #81

I think this guy has forgotten that what we get if we defeat President Obama is Rmoney. jwirr Jun 2012 #84

Another useful idiot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #90

The choice is Obama or Romney. Who advances Progressive causes more, ya think? Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #91

I'm Sitting Here Debating... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #93

If we're not strong enough to debate it...? kentuck Jun 2012 #99

Kentuck...I have followed... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #102

Definitely. kentuck Jun 2012 #103

I'm Right There With You Kentuck....n/t WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #104

Remember Remember Jun 2012 #154

Excellent post. woo me with science Jun 2012 #108

"Scorched Earth" gets you a dictatorship. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #119

Good Points Hugh... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #123

"maybe we need to continue our downturn even further" joshcryer Jun 2012 #133

Your plan utterly ignores history jeff47 Jun 2012 #136

You Sound Angry Jeff... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #149

That's because I'm angry at the people who's effort extends to showing up in November and whining jeff47 Jun 2012 #150

You give me more power than I have Jeff... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #151

Never heard of a multiplier? jeff47 Jun 2012 #157

Thanks for the time you took to respond... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #160

a former professor only has one vote...it counts no more than mine. i will nullify him. spanone Jun 2012 #100

yes, and things will be so much better under President Romney. What a jackass. WI_DEM Jun 2012 #105

Here's a ProSense Jun 2012 #113

There's a reason why this selfish approach is not shared by many. great white snark Jun 2012 #116

I think the opposite is true TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #158

So what? Who gives a shit what this guy says? MineralMan Jun 2012 #118

Et tu Brutus? kentuck Jun 2012 #121

Censorship? I have no authority over anyone on this website. MineralMan Jun 2012 #122

I am not really that concerned about this professor... kentuck Jun 2012 #126

The Reich-wing went searching for this guy to counter the stories of Romney while in school siligut Jun 2012 #120

So he wants Romney instead - what a fool! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #128

As do apparently, the seven extra-special souls that rec'd this inane foolishness Number23 Jun 2012 #131

Well bless your soul. I am one of those extra-special souls. I rec'd Autumn Jun 2012 #147

A shock to everyone here, I'm sure. Number23 Jun 2012 #161

@#$% Roberto Unger. Scurrilous Jun 2012 #130

He must have voted for Nader in 2000. Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #132

Who knew a professor could be so dumb jeff47 Jun 2012 #135

... Roberto Mangabeira Unger is a citizen of Brazil ... struggle4progress Jun 2012 #146

and a citizen of the U.S. Enrique Jun 2012 #162

Hmm. I'm not sure he's a US citizen: he was born in Brazil, and struggle4progress Jun 2012 #163

his remarks are in English Enrique Jun 2012 #164

Perhaps you have trouble understanding what you read? struggle4progress Jun 2012 #165

Yes, the best way to "advance the progressive cause" is by electing Romney. Renew Deal Jun 2012 #152

A very very left wing relative of mine routinely calls Obaba a babykiller and worse librechik Jun 2012 #155

If the President is a hostage then how much worse the lot of us "small people" must be TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #159