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wildeyed

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125. It would be legal to have the gun. If acted 'aggressively' with the guess, I guess it is illegal?

Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:10 PM

Sep 2016

Who knows. The police are arguing that Scott is at fault for waving the gun at them aggressively, not that he couldn't have the gun. But none of the video seems to back that version up.

Open carry is the stupidest thing ever. All it does is cause upset and confusion. Too much detail to parse in the moment for law enforcement. It would be easier and safer for everyone if it was just illegal to have a gun in public. And we all know that the unwritten law is that only white people get to open carry.

I dunno why they were harassing the man in the first place. They were attempting to serve a warrant to some other person. Keith Scott was in his car waiting for his kid to get off the school bus. There was not a warrant for Keith Scott. Police yelled at him. He got confused as a result of his brain injury. They felt threatened. They shot him dead. Same old, same old

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Mother! Fucker! That looks like a thrown down gun from the Charlotte cops. Video here. [View all] Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 OP

Video link now available. Here: Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #1

FYI to all - St Louis LEO charged with murder yesterday for planting gun after killing black man Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #100

This is not unusual. There is no doubt in my mind it could have happened in Charlotte. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #167

Damn. lonestarnot Sep 2016 #164

One question" What was she yelling at Kieth not to do? tonyt53 Sep 2016 #2

Get out of the car in front of the police uponit7771 Sep 2016 #5

But she had been yelling at him to get out of the car before that. Chemisse Sep 2016 #148

The police were yelling also but I can not make it out. Were they demanding Keith get out riversedge Sep 2016 #152

I think she was yelling that at the cops not to do it (shoot him), not at her husband. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #7

Nope. She clearly said "don't do it Kieth". tonyt53 Sep 2016 #9

No argument. I need to watch the video again. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #11

Not necessarily Shankapotomus Sep 2016 #95

Her voice inflection did not indicate that. Don't do it Keith. No hesitation or pause. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #96

They lived there, I believe. Chemisse Sep 2016 #149

You've asked this question several times now, what do you think she's saying? Dem2 Sep 2016 #44

No, I don't have an opinion. I just don't jump to conclusions. Yeah, I am obsessed with that. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #69

Do you think his TBI had him depressed and he was instigating them so he could achieve Dem2 Sep 2016 #90

Again, not jumping to conclusions. But his family was there the whole time. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #97

Wow BronxBoy Sep 2016 #99

Personally I question every eyewitness because most people in general cstanleytech Sep 2016 #145

His wife has a camera. AllyCat Sep 2016 #161

The wifes camera shows the gun Egnever Sep 2016 #163

She's still alive, I'm sure that question will be answered rather than subject to interperation ToxMarz Sep 2016 #48

I'd say unbelievable... liberalmuse Sep 2016 #3

I guess the idea of police using "throw down guns" might be unbelievable TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #16

Right ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2016 #21

Or easy enough for anyone at all to research... LanternWaste Sep 2016 #23

Well Lurker Deluxe Sep 2016 #45

Here you go from the Houston Chronicle outlining HPD misdeeds. TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #43

So ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2016 #46

Less than one percent? The testimony presented to you prayin4rain Sep 2016 #49

The only reason they got caught with the Webster case TexasProgresive Sep 2016 #53

ok Lurker Deluxe Sep 2016 #72

don't waste your time heaven05 Sep 2016 #154

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #162

question heaven05 Sep 2016 #153

Joe Campos Torres cannabis_flower Sep 2016 #54

I'll back that up catnhatnh Sep 2016 #130

My best friend was a deputy sheriff back about 40 years ago. doc03 Sep 2016 #112

Called drop guns in Chicago elehhhhna Sep 2016 #133

I don't understand what kacekwl Sep 2016 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #143

YES !!! YES !!! I am blown the mutha fuck away !!! uponit7771 Sep 2016 #4

THERE WERE TWO !! One of the LEO's picked up one of the guns!!! uponit7771 Sep 2016 #6

Yes, isn't that amazing? Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #8

Looks like one of the objects was a pair of gloves, also there was no gun around the person in... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #15

Yeah that or gloves. jmg257 Sep 2016 #10

There were two object that were dropped, not just the gloves that were picked up. uponit7771 Sep 2016 #14

I see 1 pair dropped, picked up, then a second pair dropped. jmg257 Sep 2016 #19

Maybe the gloves were dropped to give cover for bending over and planting something? Mamajami Sep 2016 #76

Thanks I'll check it out! jmg257 Sep 2016 #79

That was my take--gloves dropped to cover the gun planting. nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author kristopher Sep 2016 #65

This seems like a gut-reaction kind of thread. You may be right, but I'm gonna wait 24 hours... MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #12

Not a bad idea. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #13

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You don't live up to your name NobodyHere Sep 2016 #18

Touche'! :) The video looks terrible, I've just seen too many insta-posts on DU in response... MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #31

You must have been coming here a long time before you joined the site Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #119

2001! Wasn't a first day-er but awfully close! nt MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #124

Explain yourself. What about the OP is "gut reaction"? Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #30

All of it, especially in retrospect mythology Sep 2016 #170

I couldn't see anything...l was getting motion sickness demosincebirth Sep 2016 #20

Watch at 1:40 in and look around the feet who of the two standing cops... PersonNumber503602 Sep 2016 #40

can this video be extracted/saved before it's scrubbed n/t yodermon Sep 2016 #22

The lawyers of Scott have the video, the wife didn't turn it over to the police for that very reason uponit7771 Sep 2016 #24

The video won't play for me. kwassa Sep 2016 #25

Wow. Just Wow. unitedwethrive Sep 2016 #26

Very sad indeed... If this is true, all officers involved must get death penalty MyNameIsKhan Sep 2016 #27

After watching the video a number of times, I get more and more sad for the wife. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #28

My heart breaks Sunny05 Sep 2016 #33

+1, and NONE.. NOT ONE of the LEOs bother to safely bring her into the mix uponit7771 Sep 2016 #64

No kidding. calimary Sep 2016 #94

This was my first response too Curtis Sep 2016 #29

That's it !!! People are trying to say the LEOs picked up gloves but the pic at the feet of Scott uponit7771 Sep 2016 #66

I don't see anything showing that a gun was planted. The police say they have dashcam video that Waldorf Sep 2016 #32

The family viewed it. Their attorney said he could not say for sure - and he is on their side. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #35

Why didn't the cops... BronxBoy Sep 2016 #108

Well, this thread is about what people are seeing in the video that was shared. Sunny05 Sep 2016 #36

I viewed the video. I don't see no gun being planted. I see gloves dropped on the ground and picked Waldorf Sep 2016 #37

I hear (read) you Sunny05 Sep 2016 #41

The second object wasn't gloves, he picked up a pair and another object was left on the ground uponit7771 Sep 2016 #51

Follow-up Sunny05 Sep 2016 #55

The pic circulated by the CPD shows a gun at the feed of Scott, I think that's what people are upset uponit7771 Sep 2016 #68

Ah. So put those together ... / nt Sunny05 Sep 2016 #109

Exactly, the pictures shown yesterday by the CPD showed a gun at the victims feet. politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2016 #120

per the family's lawyer after seeing the dashcam/bodycam video: yodermon Sep 2016 #39

+1, the pic the CPD has circulated shows a gun at the feet of Scott... in the vid there's no gun jus uponit7771 Sep 2016 #77

Even the police chief walked that one back. wildeyed Sep 2016 #114

First no gun, then one gun then two guns. McCamy Taylor Sep 2016 #34

People are claiming those are gloves, those are some nice gun shaped gloves and why in the hell... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #63

The gloves were to keep prints off the drop gun? After it's dropped, take them off, yes? elehhhhna Sep 2016 #134

I don't know if we're looking at the same thing PersonNumber503602 Sep 2016 #38

No, DU is. NT B2G Sep 2016 #42

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2016 #59

The pic the CPD is circulating the CPD is intimating there's a gun... in the video there is no gun uponit7771 Sep 2016 #74

The object closest to Scott looks like the gun, the other is picked up are gloves uponit7771 Sep 2016 #52

Looks like a pair of gloves to me -nt Bradical79 Sep 2016 #47

So this pic, which CMPD has circulated.... is that a gun? or gloves? yodermon Sep 2016 #56

+1, CPD is intimating its a gun uponit7771 Sep 2016 #58

Sure looks like a glove to me... but who am I? Agschmid Sep 2016 #62

Not in the pic released by the CPD, that's what everyone is missing ... there's a pic released by uponit7771 Sep 2016 #67

Got it. Agschmid Sep 2016 #71

I think that's a gun Bradical79 Sep 2016 #102

I'm not being sarcastic which is hard for me but if this is going to be an issue... Lokilooney Sep 2016 #139

It's gloves and they move the gun away from the suspect for safety as they render aid Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #57

Not in the picture released by the CPD, I understand folk want to give them the benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Sep 2016 #61

Is amazing how many spoiled entitled people want everything RIGHT NOW Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #73

That's if you're willing to give PDs that don't deserve it the benefit of the doubt. If the PD hasnt uponit7771 Sep 2016 #75

So satisfying your curiosity is more important than the integrity of the investigation? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #81

Again, there's more benefit in transparency than clamming up and FURTHER hurting the ... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #84

It's been several days. Was there a huge crowd of people who were eyewitnesses? Demit Sep 2016 #113

Well let's see Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #118

You were talking about eyewitnesses Demit Sep 2016 #123

"Integrity" of investigation heaven05 Sep 2016 #155

No, it was to protect the police involved. wildeyed Sep 2016 #115

I still don't understand gwheezie Sep 2016 #116

Open carry doesn't mean ignore any gun under any circumstances Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #121

Like this guy brandishing his pistol at peaceful protesters? wildeyed Sep 2016 #126

I understand that gwheezie Sep 2016 #127

"can't ignore" heaven05 Sep 2016 #157

It would be legal to have the gun. If acted 'aggressively' with the guess, I guess it is illegal? wildeyed Sep 2016 #125

None of my back friends open carry gwheezie Sep 2016 #129

Spoiled, entitled? Oh my. elehhhhna Sep 2016 #136

you mean like how "spoiled entitled" police instigate situation to shoot in an instant" RIGHT NOW"? Sunlei Sep 2016 #151

If this ever goes to a jury, they'll look at it one still image at a time. Warpy Sep 2016 #60

Some of you people read too many Joseph Wambaugh novels Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2016 #70

Didn't they plant on that guy last year? Separation Sep 2016 #83

Michael T. Slager and Walter L. Scott? Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2016 #98

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #101

Gotcha! Thanks! Separation Sep 2016 #122

The picture circulated by CPD shows a gun at the bottom of Scotts feet, the vid shows no gun uponit7771 Sep 2016 #87

Gloves keep prints off drop guns. elehhhhna Sep 2016 #137

True uponit7771 Sep 2016 #147

It would be comical if not so tragic. I hope cool heads prevail and this investigation is done objec jack_krass Sep 2016 #106

The cops are yelling "drop the gun" in the video taught_me_patience Sep 2016 #78

Why WOULDN'T they? Atman Sep 2016 #85

Because they mistook something as a gun? Simple, no one expects the LEOs to be perfect uponit7771 Sep 2016 #92

oh really? Skittles Sep 2016 #144

simple? heaven05 Sep 2016 #158

Convoluted story gwheezie Sep 2016 #111

+1, on face book they show a weapon being dropped by the guy in the red shirt.... no wonder uponit7771 Sep 2016 #160

Why do I see so many videos... catnhatnh Sep 2016 #131

Because the definition to "resisting" seems Bettie Sep 2016 #159

The same reason they yell "stop resisting" Adrahil Sep 2016 #166

Bad PR to shoot unarmed black men so..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #80

It's not even a gun. It's a pair of gloves. Atman Sep 2016 #82

The pic circulated by the CPD shows a gun at the feed of Scott, I think that's what people are upset uponit7771 Sep 2016 #88

I've seen the picture. I've also seen the picture of GLOVES being put down/picked up Atman Sep 2016 #91

The CPD Chief said there's no doubt a gun and then circulated the pics... the CPD have been uponit7771 Sep 2016 #93

CMPD didn't put that picture out B2G Sep 2016 #103

Thx, I'll correct uponit7771 Sep 2016 #104

Thank you. I have been standing screaming at my TV since they first ran this. Midnight Writer Sep 2016 #86

+1, the there's a pic that shows a gun at the feet of Scott... in the vid there's no gun jus uponit7771 Sep 2016 #89

Again, not CMPD'S picture. Nt B2G Sep 2016 #105

An "expert" on MSNBC said the cop with the red shirt had his foot beside the gun Vinca Sep 2016 #110

There is a very good reason why the video is not being released to the public. It could damage the Waldorf Sep 2016 #107

That is not the reason the police chief gave for not releasing the video. wildeyed Sep 2016 #117

Thank you JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #128

Watched the vid and don't know what to think except this: crim son Sep 2016 #132

Two pics with different stories Curtis Sep 2016 #135

I don't think Charlotte PD released that first photo. Separation Sep 2016 #140

Can someone tell me why they took his trousers down? nt arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #142

Depending on the location of his wounds Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #146

Seems its Scott that has been moved in those pics. jmg257 Sep 2016 #150

Damn. lonestarnot Sep 2016 #165

CBS news (I think) said they slowed it down/magnified it -- and it was GLOVES. MADem Sep 2016 #141

"Fear is the mindkiller". raven mad Sep 2016 #156

So now that this comes out all of you pushing this conspiracy theory feel foolish? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #168

I'm not saying it was aliens . . . . . Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #169

Aliens must have stolen the keyboards of everyone who posted this nonsense too Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #171