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Yo_Mama

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60. If he had a gun, he was committing a crime by having it, without a doubt.

Sat Sep 24, 2016, 03:31 PM

Sep 2016

That's what so confounds me about all this.

First, a brain injury patient subject to seizures shouldn't have a gun for obvious reasons.

Second, this man was a felon and couldn't legally have a gun. But if he did have a gun, and they caught him with it, he was going back to prison.

I suspect he did have a gun, because nothing else explains this video. And I suspect the brain injury may have confused his reactions to a very stressful situation.

I don't know whether the neighborhood is so bad that the guy waits for his kid with a gun for protection or whether he was selling drugs or he was scared of criminals or whatever. But I think he did have a gun, when the commotion started (having nothing to do with him) he stepped out with the gun and then ducked back down inside his car when he realized it was police and not criminals, and then the whole sad story took place.

I suppose that the forensics will settle the gun possession issue. Some of this will probably never be settled.

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I think video shows the gun was not planted [View all] Egnever Sep 2016 OP

Thanks...I see/saw the same thing (though did not see red guy foot the gun jmg257 Sep 2016 #1

I really think it is very clear once you see it Egnever Sep 2016 #2

A freeper said gun has DNA blood and prints of victim Cicada Sep 2016 #3

Since the victim and the weapon were in CPD possession that's not definative proof unless the CPD uponit7771 Sep 2016 #40

Esxcellent post. B2G Sep 2016 #4

what about the video heaven05 Sep 2016 #5

that is the video by the wife Egnever Sep 2016 #6

That's the video he's referring to. B2G Sep 2016 #7

I thought it was a glove too Egnever Sep 2016 #25

Look at the size of the 'gun' in relation to his feet. nt B2G Sep 2016 #28

Yea it is odd looking to be sure Egnever Sep 2016 #30

Looks like a "glock-like" plastic-framed gun to me...definitely from the bottom, jmg257 Sep 2016 #31

Yup that is what it looks like to me as well Egnever Sep 2016 #32

Yep - many mags have extensions, so could just be the shadow from the extension..small matter though jmg257 Sep 2016 #33

At this point I am somewhat bothered that the police could not see this Egnever Sep 2016 #36

And maybe they are manufacturing evidence as required. kristopher Sep 2016 #81

The pistol I saw on TV looked like a metal short barrel 1911 .45 cal. doc03 Sep 2016 #78

Thanks...I see that pic in another thread...a Colt, maybe a Mustang .380. Nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #80

from TRAYVON heaven05 Sep 2016 #45

I am not trying to explain anything away Egnever Sep 2016 #51

You are engaging in the standard practice of convicting the victim. kristopher Sep 2016 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #8

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fuck! Are you serious? Solomon Sep 2016 #12

+++ FALSE ++++ The face book vid no doubt shows the gun was planted uponit7771 Sep 2016 #9

We disagree, then Albertoo Sep 2016 #10

Canyou link to that video? I've only seen the CNN one by the wife. Thanks!! nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #11

Here... please keep focus ONLY... ONLY on the left leg of the LEO in red uponit7771 Sep 2016 #13

By the guy in red's left foot is the "gun" in the opening still frame - clearly it by his heel. jmg257 Sep 2016 #20

No, I didn't listen to the narrarator I looked at the object next to the foot of the LEO in red... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #39

Ah got ya - see other post - just got back to this. nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #46

The one he links is an edited version of the wifes video Egnever Sep 2016 #17

Link to proof it was edited? I don't mind retracting and posting a correction... tia uponit7771 Sep 2016 #21

The full video is in the op Egnever Sep 2016 #24

Agreed. Still not seeing a plant. nt jmg257 Sep 2016 #23

False? Egnever Sep 2016 #14

Yes it is, I can see the left leg of the LEO in red and the gun "appear"... I'm not caring about wha uponit7771 Sep 2016 #16

Did you even look at the screenshots and compare them to the times in the video? Egnever Sep 2016 #22

Could you point out the time stamp in any other vid where the LEO in red kicks anything... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #34

Pick me a full version of it and I will find it for you Egnever Sep 2016 #41

OK, saw the analysis and the vids uncut... still going with a throw down for one simple reason uponit7771 Sep 2016 #43

I wouldn't argue Shady with you for a minute Egnever Sep 2016 #49

True but there were already LEOs standing over him before he got there. uponit7771 Sep 2016 #74

Agree - you can see he MOVES his foot and you can see the gun - it has been there since jmg257 Sep 2016 #26

Could you point out the time stamp on this? tia uponit7771 Sep 2016 #38

Yes - if you play the OP video full screen and pause it around 1:21, you can adv/rev by second. jmg257 Sep 2016 #42

See post 41 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #44

Understood. Though now I get a better understanding over why they don't just "release the video" jmg257 Sep 2016 #47

The image from around 1.22 in the OP makes it pretty clear FBaggins Sep 2016 #50

So that means they dropped the gun, and then B2G Sep 2016 #18

No uponit7771 Sep 2016 #19

Then how did his fingerprints get on the plant? nt B2G Sep 2016 #29

Cause they had possession of the victim and the weapon? I see you're implicitly giving them the BOTD uponit7771 Sep 2016 #37

When his wife keeps telling him, Keith don't do it madokie Sep 2016 #15

This. deathrind Sep 2016 #27

It could NOT have been pointing the gun at the LEO's seeing the Chief said that's not what happened. uponit7771 Sep 2016 #35

I dont think it matters Egnever Sep 2016 #52

the wife appeared to be having a "converstion" with the police and Keith simultaneously etherealtruth Sep 2016 #48

It was 'Keith don't do it' madokie Sep 2016 #57

Am I correct this all happened because an innocent black guy was sitting in a car with something Hoyt Sep 2016 #53

Absolutely not Egnever Sep 2016 #54

But the whole "he had a gun" just excuses his shooting in too many peoples' minds. I don't care Hoyt Sep 2016 #55

I am in partial agreement with you Egnever Sep 2016 #56

I don't see people advocating violent riots or destruction of property, protests yes. nt BootinUp Sep 2016 #77

If he had a gun, he was committing a crime by having it, without a doubt. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #60

+1!! This is what's There's no one arguing whether or not he posed a threat FROM THE START !!! uponit7771 Sep 2016 #70

That was my impression too - that he did have a gun. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #58

I mostly agree but say he did have a gun, it doesn't support the CPD's story FROM THE START... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #71

there is something on the ground, but unclear what it is. librechik Sep 2016 #59

Agreed you can not tell for sure it is a gun Egnever Sep 2016 #63

Sorry cannot tell if there is a gun on the ground standingtall Sep 2016 #61

Nope can't positively identify it as a gun from that video alone Egnever Sep 2016 #62

Body cam and dash cam videos of the Scott shooting in NC. It was a BAD shoot! tblue37 Sep 2016 #64

I agree it was unecessary Egnever Sep 2016 #67

Hmmmmm, the shooting might be justified but what about the CPD needlessly escalating uponit7771 Sep 2016 #72

What on earth makes you think, if that is the gun, that red shirt didn't remove it from his ankle? Schema Thing Sep 2016 #65

The body cam footage actually. Egnever Sep 2016 #66

From the body cam footage: where's the gun? yodermon Sep 2016 #68

in that angle it is in the shadow of the truck Egnever Sep 2016 #69

hmmmm,.. looking at both pics that object is white... it's not glare of the sun.... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #73

No way is that a gun. IMO. n/t yodermon Sep 2016 #75

He had a gun. n/t Lil Missy Sep 2016 #76

Seems awfully suspicious they have other videos but only release these, could it be doc03 Sep 2016 #79