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Warpy

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64. Thank you for being sensible.

Sun Sep 25, 2016, 03:58 PM

Sep 2016

We're dealing with an overuse of force by an ignorant bunch of police who know nothing of health issues that could affect how quickly people respond to them. Add the racism that makes them overestimate the size, strength and threat posed by POC and it's a toxic stew.

Then give them military grade equipment and not expect them to act like an occupying army. Nothing could go wrong there.

I'm sick of seeing people killed by twitchy cops when I know how easily many of those situations could have been defused.

Oh, and that teenage girl? She acted like she was on something in addition to being terrified. However, their treatment of her was unconscionable. I think there will be a lawsuit and she just might get her way through college paid for.

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Why did Keith Scotts family lie about the gun? [View all] Lee-Lee Sep 2016 OP

People who lie are as bad as people who kill? CBGLuthier Sep 2016 #1

They kept insisting there was no gun- yet there is one Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #2

We have the BLM protesting about bad police shootings. Cases like this doc03 Sep 2016 #8

But if people don't BURN DOWN THE CITY in protest... TheDebbieDee Sep 2016 #26

Match up such "protests" with actual data. Igel Sep 2016 #53

so true DustyJoe Sep 2016 #50

I didn't see a gun, it's still unclear. And an ankle booster is not a gun uppityperson Sep 2016 #27

What is an "ankle booster"? nt B2G Sep 2016 #28

It's an autocorrect typo which should read "holster". At one point my machine autocorrected every uppityperson Sep 2016 #30

Yes because people were very uncomfortable holsters for no reason Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #31

An ankle holster is not a gun. He may have a gun somewhere, but a holster is not a gun. uppityperson Sep 2016 #32

True but it pretty much defies belief that he was just wearing one for fun. Egnever Sep 2016 #75

It's an open carry state. Or is that just for whites? brush Sep 2016 #85

What does that have to do with my post? Egnever Sep 2016 #112

Everything. brush Sep 2016 #116

My post only addressed the believability of having an ankle holster and no gun Egnever Sep 2016 #117

And you believe that has nothing to do with the escalation of the situation? brush Sep 2016 #125

Again I said nothing about any of that Egnever Sep 2016 #128

Absolutely not seeing he had his hand down and was backing away from the LEO he saw pointing uponit7771 Sep 2016 #157

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #156

it wasnt a gun holster Elmergantry Sep 2016 #162

Are you purposely forgeting that NC is an open carry state? Or is that just for whites? brush Sep 2016 #84

The problem with that scenario is, HE isn't supposed to have a gun. Color didn't matter. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #91

The problem with your scenario is that the cops didn't know that brush Sep 2016 #111

+1, nor did they know he was rolling a joint vs a cigarette. He was rolling a joint is a bulllshit uponit7771 Sep 2016 #158

I have already explained it in several posts Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #96

Totality of the circumstances. Right. A black guy sitting in his car waiting to pick up his kid . . brush Sep 2016 #114

He pulled up next to a police car and started rolling a joint with a gun visible waiting for his kid Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #169

Acordding to the LEO there was no questioning, he saw a gun and attempted to break the window with uponit7771 Sep 2016 #159

According to the report he saw guns and drugs together Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #165

The LEO had no evidence that what Scott had was drugs vs tabacco and in court the LEO would be uponit7771 Sep 2016 #172

Seeing someone rolling something to smoke and a gun together is enough reasonable suspicion in NC. Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #178

This is false on its face, Scott could've been rolling a cigarette... its a reason to maybe question uponit7771 Sep 2016 #179

why, what is the relationship? treestar Sep 2016 #198

just having the gun in the car treestar Sep 2016 #197

An ankle holster is not open carry but concealed carry....requires a permit. EX500rider Sep 2016 #118

He was sitting in his car waiting to pick up his kid, not doing anything to anybody brush Sep 2016 #122

Well they arrest a million people every month..30,000 people every day.. EX500rider Sep 2016 #130

+1, the copologist are out in force right now and they give the CPD the benefit of the doubt that uponit7771 Sep 2016 #174

Then how did the LEO see the holster seeing he was sitting in his SUV!? Again, the LEOs account is uponit7771 Sep 2016 #173

Then all he had to do was drop the gun Egnever Sep 2016 #119

Do you know they were on an entirely different call? brush Sep 2016 #124

I know more about this than I ever wanted to know. Egnever Sep 2016 #131

On another call in their cars but just happened to notice what was going on in his car? O-k-a-a-a-y. brush Sep 2016 #133

They walked right by him Egnever Sep 2016 #135

Check this link out. brush Sep 2016 #136

That is exactly the kind of dumb interview that made me look so closely at this Egnever Sep 2016 #138

A good cop should remain oblivious to the world around them? FrodosPet Sep 2016 #137

Someone made the point I think in this thread Egnever Sep 2016 #139

I was wrong Egnever Sep 2016 #143

Yes, according to the Chief the LEO got out of his car and looked into Scott's window and now uponit7771 Sep 2016 #161

I can agree with that treestar Sep 2016 #199

And you know they know he had a gun? brush Sep 2016 #80

I don't think the open carry thing works. Egnever Sep 2016 #126

People ARE dead and injured jack_krass Sep 2016 #58

So the cops get to be judge, jury, and executioner? And you're cool with that? NightWatcher Sep 2016 #3

Obviously that's not even an honest assessment Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #14

We know little about this incident but you've already decided that his family lied. NightWatcher Sep 2016 #18

We will see as more comes out Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #19

+1 Rex Sep 2016 #34

Yes when a suspect pulls a gun out of a holster and doesn't follow orders. jack_krass Sep 2016 #59

I am not okay with it myself. alarimer Sep 2016 #71

If they were lying, it's wrong and could inflame tensions leading to more violence Democat Sep 2016 #4

Why did people initially claim Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back? MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #5

And that just makes it even harder to clean things up Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #10

I know you have a link for all these statistics.... rgbecker Sep 2016 #95

Here you go Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #99

Thier lie led to a bigger truth... lame54 Sep 2016 #17

Yep, and only had to falsely accuse one person of shooting another in the back MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #21

The growing growing growing... lame54 Sep 2016 #70

In the back or the top of his head, the cop still shot an unarmed man brush Sep 2016 #87

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #164

People are still repeating "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" MichMan Sep 2016 #54

DU still has the avatar pintobean Sep 2016 #60

excellent post Skittles Sep 2016 #74

Was that video of two white guys saying he had his hands up a fake? (Michael Brown) Mamajami Sep 2016 #105

Whites get shot and killed by police metroins Sep 2016 #160

+1, that was the vid for me... the utterance of the two guys who were looking at it uponit7771 Sep 2016 #166

I regret my jury vote FBaggins Sep 2016 #6

Scenarios like this have played out several times now, and they've turned BLM into a joke. Marr Sep 2016 #7

+1 doc03 Sep 2016 #9

It certainly harms the credibility of activists who back that story Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #11

The rest of America knows blacks get treated different and some people will excuse anything uponit7771 Sep 2016 #168

They've illuminated racist, BLM isn't the joke ... people who excuse disproportionate killings are uponit7771 Sep 2016 #167

This might have ended differently if she hadn't been there. B2G Sep 2016 #12

It certainly didn't help Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #13

Agree - This is my strongest feeling on the whole incident... hexola Sep 2016 #86

What proof do you have they lied... lame54 Sep 2016 #15

Is that even plausible? FBaggins Sep 2016 #20

Some people will contort ideas any way to avoid the obvious answer Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #22

A deceptive husband?... lame54 Sep 2016 #69

+1, There's no photo evidence of Scott with a gun in his hand uponit7771 Sep 2016 #170

There's also no evidence of his hands being empty FBaggins Sep 2016 #208

Innocent until indidcated guilty, there's no photo proof Scott had a gun in his hands uponit7771 Sep 2016 #209

What you mean is "innocent until indicated guilty... FBaggins Sep 2016 #210

What makes you so sure they knew he wore one on his ankle? BootinUp Sep 2016 #16

There is no bleeping way the family didn't know he had that gun. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #42

Of course there is a bleepin way. You are interpreting things through a filter, called your BootinUp Sep 2016 #45

How? It's not new. It's not concealed. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #49

Well, this LEO had x ray vision so they can of course see the gun through the window and Scott's leg uponit7771 Sep 2016 #175

That isn't the story they told - they didn't need x-ray vision. FBaggins Sep 2016 #211

THey never said he smoked put, the LEO saw him rolle a blunt which rolling a cigarette isn't illegal uponit7771 Sep 2016 #218

Condensed version citood Sep 2016 #23

I hadn't thought of that Egnever Sep 2016 #120

While you are busy accusing Uponthegears Sep 2016 #24

Wow you are on the wrong site philosslayer Sep 2016 #25

Many, MANY DU'ers said same to you in two of your OP's the other day. KittyWampus Sep 2016 #41

You are literally the very last person Codeine Sep 2016 #56

For real. romanic Sep 2016 #72

Between advocating Islamification and riots... NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #195

You ignore the fact that she may have been yelling "don't do it" at all those cops uppityperson Sep 2016 #29

Ummm, she yelled his name each time before saying "don't do it" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #36

Yes, I did watch and listen. Since all you do is insult people who disagree with you, I'm done with uppityperson Sep 2016 #37

Why did the cops? Rex Sep 2016 #33

Because there are liars in al walks of life, whatever the reasons. n/t Avalux Sep 2016 #35

People love to buy into lies if it fits an agenda. ileus Sep 2016 #38

Because they were distraught over seeing their father/husband shot down? Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #39

Your suicide by cop theory is very plausible Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #43

They'll never concede that he even had a gun. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #44

This is totally absurd speculation and reveals nothing but prejudice. kwassa Sep 2016 #82

He had a book in his hand is the new he had a sandwich in his hand. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #40

Why did the Chief of Police say Scott did not raise a gun or fire at the cops? Rex Sep 2016 #46

Holy shit man you have been informed at least once by me and another time by another Egnever Sep 2016 #67

Why do you? Rex Sep 2016 #68

How about trying this......... mrmpa Sep 2016 #47

I don't think she lied. I think she really thought he did not have a gun. Lil Missy Sep 2016 #48

Does anyone know why they were bothering the guy in the first place? The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #51

I read a narrative...the cops were waiting to enact a warrant....ah found a version.. jmg257 Sep 2016 #52

The LEO said he was rolling a joint in his car which he had NO IDEA what it was then the LEO..... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #155

I saw this same thing in Milwaukee's Sherman Park. Archae Sep 2016 #55

oh haven't you heard the latest meme? Skittles Sep 2016 #77

Whoa... Citrus Sep 2016 #57

There are many references to him having a book by the family Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #61

Eesh... Citrus Sep 2016 #123

Just like honey badger, JTFrog Sep 2016 #184

^^^^ Well Put Citrus Nictuku Sep 2016 #62

Thank you for being sensible. Warpy Sep 2016 #64

Perfect reply. Rex Sep 2016 #65

++++ uppityperson Sep 2016 #76

+++ salin Sep 2016 #81

Thank you. TeeYiYi Sep 2016 #113

THIS !!!! uponit7771 Sep 2016 #152

Why did the police escalate the situation? etherealtruth Sep 2016 #63

Why do the police lie about shootings? Are_grits_groceries Sep 2016 #66

wouldn't it be nice if people actually waited for the facts Skittles Sep 2016 #73

Wait for the facts ? MichMan Sep 2016 #78

they embarrass themselves greatly Skittles Sep 2016 #79

People are in such a hurry to respond to what they want to believe MichMan Sep 2016 #83

yup Skittles Sep 2016 #92

P'shaaw. What's important is being first to SHOUT OUT LOUD! X_Digger Sep 2016 #88

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2016 #89

Whose facts? The prosecutor, biased towards the cops? kwassa Sep 2016 #93

yes, we cannot believe our lying eyes Skittles Sep 2016 #94

Do you have a point? I should kick your ass ... kwassa Sep 2016 #98

both sides seem to have an agenda Skittles Sep 2016 #101

Where are the stills with nothing in his right hand? Egnever Sep 2016 #115

I got it from you, actually. kwassa Sep 2016 #127

I don't think that is clear enough to determine. Egnever Sep 2016 #134

You can't actually tell from that shot. It's a small gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #145

I've been told people who wait for facts are cop apologists. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #97

yup Skittles Sep 2016 #102

They often are. kwassa Sep 2016 #110

BUT NOT ALWAYS Skittles Sep 2016 #228

You mean the when the Chief leaks evidence that fits their narrative? tia uponit7771 Sep 2016 #186

as did the family? Skittles Sep 2016 #229

it would be believed cleveramerican Sep 2016 #90

Because they understand law enforcement? Matrosov Sep 2016 #100

And how that that help Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #103

I don't know, but I also don't know why it took so long to release the police video still_one Sep 2016 #104

It was released fairly quick all things considered. Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #106

Nothing in the videos so far shows anything in either hand. kwassa Sep 2016 #109

First of all the only reason they finally realease it was because of pressure from local still_one Sep 2016 #129

Releasing video too so can harm an investigation Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #144

I wonder when attitudes changed sarisataka Sep 2016 #107

Foul on the play. You can't use their own words against them. Tain't fair, McGee! n/t X_Digger Sep 2016 #108

Would a white man have been shot in the same situation? curlyred Sep 2016 #121

White folks are killed by police at twice the rate of black folks... TCJ70 Sep 2016 #132

That is a very tricky number Egnever Sep 2016 #140

It's not really a tricky number... TCJ70 Sep 2016 #150

Interesting study on the matter Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #163

Normal reaction... Mike Nelson Sep 2016 #141

Every word of this could be true . . . DeltaLitProf Sep 2016 #142

+1, and there's no photo evidence of Scott with a gun in his hand uponit7771 Sep 2016 #171

I see the "blame the victim" narrative is in full swing. baldguy Sep 2016 #146

When I watched the tape instead of just reading the transcript, it seemed clear pnwmom Sep 2016 #147

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #154

How do you know the gun and holster were his? Vinca Sep 2016 #148

The holster is plainly visible on his right ankle in the body cam video Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #149

Thanks for the information. That said, since it's an open carry state, so what? Vinca Sep 2016 #213

It was the combination of drugs and the gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #214

If everyone rolling a joint who happened to have a gun was executed, the population would Vinca Sep 2016 #215

I was a deputy as well, if you were a cop you know very well Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #219

No, this is simply your opinion of the reason. kwassa Sep 2016 #225

I know I don't believe the cops. Vinca Sep 2016 #226

The holster is plainly evident. FBaggins Sep 2016 #217

There's STILL no photo evidence of a gun in Scott's hand, the OP and everyone who uponit7771 Sep 2016 #153

The holster is on his leg, the gun was recovered, it is covered in his DNA and fingerprints Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #176

All still no evidence of a gun IN HIS HAND AT THE TIME THEY SHOT HIM. Even when looking at the scene uponit7771 Sep 2016 #177

They were not just yelling for him to drop the gun for the fun of it Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #180

Yes there is, there has been many orange wallet shootings... ham Sandwhichs etc uponit7771 Sep 2016 #182

So explain to me how it goes down in your world Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #188

It is possible that they spotted in the ankle holster .... kwassa Sep 2016 #191

So why doesn't he raise his hands to show they are empty when confronted? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #194

He has a traumatic brain injury ... kwassa Sep 2016 #196

What is the evidence of that? nt hack89 Sep 2016 #227

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #181

This is false on its face, she said he had no weapon...there's been no evidence of a GUN IN HIS HAND uponit7771 Sep 2016 #183

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #185

Strawman, there's no photo evidence of a weapon IN HIS HAND. The wife is right and the LEOs uponit7771 Sep 2016 #187

She never said "in his hand" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #189

She doesn't have to to be correct, I have a wallet... I don't have one in my hand at the time I'm uponit7771 Sep 2016 #190

I don't think there's any level of proof that they'll accept. Marr Sep 2016 #192

+++++THERE'S NO PHOTO EVIDENCE OF SCOTT WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND ++++++++++ uponit7771 Sep 2016 #151

You look absurd at this point. Just stop. Marr Sep 2016 #193

you can't see a gun but a reasonable person assumes there is one? treestar Sep 2016 #200

Here is a frame by frame analysis exboyfil Sep 2016 #201

Irrelevant, even in that analysis THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF A GUN IN HIS HAND uponit7771 Sep 2016 #204

There isn't any evidence that the police planted a gun FBaggins Sep 2016 #212

We agree then, onus still on the LEOs because if it wasn't in his hand he posed no threat... given uponit7771 Sep 2016 #216

We can certainly agree that IF the gun wasn't in his hand, then he posed them no threat. FBaggins Sep 2016 #220

There's no photo evidence of a gun that has been shown, I need DIRECT photo evidence not conjecture uponit7771 Sep 2016 #221

+1, meaning a person giving the CPD the UNEARNED benefit of the doubt ... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #203

Why do you think the CPD should not get the benefit of the doubt..i.e. anything specific? jmg257 Sep 2016 #206

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position. THERE'S NO PHOTO EVIDENCE OF A GUN IN HIS HAND uponit7771 Sep 2016 #202

Maybe you're right, but... Whiskeytide Sep 2016 #205

He got the LEO attention by waiving the gun & rolling a joint in public. GOLGO 13 Sep 2016 #207

There's no video or photo evidence of him waving anything and the LEO didn't know it was a joint vs uponit7771 Sep 2016 #223

What the fuck does it matter? N.C. is open carry Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #222

Witnesses at the scene said it was a book. wildeyed Sep 2016 #224

Update - Keith Scott was carrying stolen gun Crabby Appleton Sep 2016 #230

Scott was a killer who was a danger to Law Enforcement because he carried a gun illegally Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #231

So full of yourself Citrus Sep 2016 #232