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alarimer

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71. I am not okay with it myself.

Sun Sep 25, 2016, 06:40 PM

Sep 2016

White men with guns parade unmolested. Black men with guns (or even not with guns) get shot and (often) killed.

This is some kind of fucked up and I can't see how those jack booted police thugs get a pass here. Although they will, legally.

Odd that the only police officers charges are usually not white men, either. Funny that.

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Why did Keith Scotts family lie about the gun? [View all] Lee-Lee Sep 2016 OP

People who lie are as bad as people who kill? CBGLuthier Sep 2016 #1

They kept insisting there was no gun- yet there is one Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #2

We have the BLM protesting about bad police shootings. Cases like this doc03 Sep 2016 #8

But if people don't BURN DOWN THE CITY in protest... TheDebbieDee Sep 2016 #26

Match up such "protests" with actual data. Igel Sep 2016 #53

so true DustyJoe Sep 2016 #50

I didn't see a gun, it's still unclear. And an ankle booster is not a gun uppityperson Sep 2016 #27

What is an "ankle booster"? nt B2G Sep 2016 #28

It's an autocorrect typo which should read "holster". At one point my machine autocorrected every uppityperson Sep 2016 #30

Yes because people were very uncomfortable holsters for no reason Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #31

An ankle holster is not a gun. He may have a gun somewhere, but a holster is not a gun. uppityperson Sep 2016 #32

True but it pretty much defies belief that he was just wearing one for fun. Egnever Sep 2016 #75

It's an open carry state. Or is that just for whites? brush Sep 2016 #85

What does that have to do with my post? Egnever Sep 2016 #112

Everything. brush Sep 2016 #116

My post only addressed the believability of having an ankle holster and no gun Egnever Sep 2016 #117

And you believe that has nothing to do with the escalation of the situation? brush Sep 2016 #125

Again I said nothing about any of that Egnever Sep 2016 #128

Absolutely not seeing he had his hand down and was backing away from the LEO he saw pointing uponit7771 Sep 2016 #157

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #156

it wasnt a gun holster Elmergantry Sep 2016 #162

Are you purposely forgeting that NC is an open carry state? Or is that just for whites? brush Sep 2016 #84

The problem with that scenario is, HE isn't supposed to have a gun. Color didn't matter. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #91

The problem with your scenario is that the cops didn't know that brush Sep 2016 #111

+1, nor did they know he was rolling a joint vs a cigarette. He was rolling a joint is a bulllshit uponit7771 Sep 2016 #158

I have already explained it in several posts Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #96

Totality of the circumstances. Right. A black guy sitting in his car waiting to pick up his kid . . brush Sep 2016 #114

He pulled up next to a police car and started rolling a joint with a gun visible waiting for his kid Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #169

Acordding to the LEO there was no questioning, he saw a gun and attempted to break the window with uponit7771 Sep 2016 #159

According to the report he saw guns and drugs together Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #165

The LEO had no evidence that what Scott had was drugs vs tabacco and in court the LEO would be uponit7771 Sep 2016 #172

Seeing someone rolling something to smoke and a gun together is enough reasonable suspicion in NC. Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #178

This is false on its face, Scott could've been rolling a cigarette... its a reason to maybe question uponit7771 Sep 2016 #179

why, what is the relationship? treestar Sep 2016 #198

just having the gun in the car treestar Sep 2016 #197

An ankle holster is not open carry but concealed carry....requires a permit. EX500rider Sep 2016 #118

He was sitting in his car waiting to pick up his kid, not doing anything to anybody brush Sep 2016 #122

Well they arrest a million people every month..30,000 people every day.. EX500rider Sep 2016 #130

+1, the copologist are out in force right now and they give the CPD the benefit of the doubt that uponit7771 Sep 2016 #174

Then how did the LEO see the holster seeing he was sitting in his SUV!? Again, the LEOs account is uponit7771 Sep 2016 #173

Then all he had to do was drop the gun Egnever Sep 2016 #119

Do you know they were on an entirely different call? brush Sep 2016 #124

I know more about this than I ever wanted to know. Egnever Sep 2016 #131

On another call in their cars but just happened to notice what was going on in his car? O-k-a-a-a-y. brush Sep 2016 #133

They walked right by him Egnever Sep 2016 #135

Check this link out. brush Sep 2016 #136

That is exactly the kind of dumb interview that made me look so closely at this Egnever Sep 2016 #138

A good cop should remain oblivious to the world around them? FrodosPet Sep 2016 #137

Someone made the point I think in this thread Egnever Sep 2016 #139

I was wrong Egnever Sep 2016 #143

Yes, according to the Chief the LEO got out of his car and looked into Scott's window and now uponit7771 Sep 2016 #161

I can agree with that treestar Sep 2016 #199

And you know they know he had a gun? brush Sep 2016 #80

I don't think the open carry thing works. Egnever Sep 2016 #126

People ARE dead and injured jack_krass Sep 2016 #58

So the cops get to be judge, jury, and executioner? And you're cool with that? NightWatcher Sep 2016 #3

Obviously that's not even an honest assessment Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #14

We know little about this incident but you've already decided that his family lied. NightWatcher Sep 2016 #18

We will see as more comes out Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #19

+1 Rex Sep 2016 #34

Yes when a suspect pulls a gun out of a holster and doesn't follow orders. jack_krass Sep 2016 #59

I am not okay with it myself. alarimer Sep 2016 #71

If they were lying, it's wrong and could inflame tensions leading to more violence Democat Sep 2016 #4

Why did people initially claim Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back? MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #5

And that just makes it even harder to clean things up Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #10

I know you have a link for all these statistics.... rgbecker Sep 2016 #95

Here you go Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #99

Thier lie led to a bigger truth... lame54 Sep 2016 #17

Yep, and only had to falsely accuse one person of shooting another in the back MadDAsHell Sep 2016 #21

The growing growing growing... lame54 Sep 2016 #70

In the back or the top of his head, the cop still shot an unarmed man brush Sep 2016 #87

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #164

People are still repeating "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" MichMan Sep 2016 #54

DU still has the avatar pintobean Sep 2016 #60

excellent post Skittles Sep 2016 #74

Was that video of two white guys saying he had his hands up a fake? (Michael Brown) Mamajami Sep 2016 #105

Whites get shot and killed by police metroins Sep 2016 #160

+1, that was the vid for me... the utterance of the two guys who were looking at it uponit7771 Sep 2016 #166

I regret my jury vote FBaggins Sep 2016 #6

Scenarios like this have played out several times now, and they've turned BLM into a joke. Marr Sep 2016 #7

+1 doc03 Sep 2016 #9

It certainly harms the credibility of activists who back that story Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #11

The rest of America knows blacks get treated different and some people will excuse anything uponit7771 Sep 2016 #168

They've illuminated racist, BLM isn't the joke ... people who excuse disproportionate killings are uponit7771 Sep 2016 #167

This might have ended differently if she hadn't been there. B2G Sep 2016 #12

It certainly didn't help Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #13

Agree - This is my strongest feeling on the whole incident... hexola Sep 2016 #86

What proof do you have they lied... lame54 Sep 2016 #15

Is that even plausible? FBaggins Sep 2016 #20

Some people will contort ideas any way to avoid the obvious answer Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #22

A deceptive husband?... lame54 Sep 2016 #69

+1, There's no photo evidence of Scott with a gun in his hand uponit7771 Sep 2016 #170

There's also no evidence of his hands being empty FBaggins Sep 2016 #208

Innocent until indidcated guilty, there's no photo proof Scott had a gun in his hands uponit7771 Sep 2016 #209

What you mean is "innocent until indicated guilty... FBaggins Sep 2016 #210

What makes you so sure they knew he wore one on his ankle? BootinUp Sep 2016 #16

There is no bleeping way the family didn't know he had that gun. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #42

Of course there is a bleepin way. You are interpreting things through a filter, called your BootinUp Sep 2016 #45

How? It's not new. It's not concealed. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #49

Well, this LEO had x ray vision so they can of course see the gun through the window and Scott's leg uponit7771 Sep 2016 #175

That isn't the story they told - they didn't need x-ray vision. FBaggins Sep 2016 #211

THey never said he smoked put, the LEO saw him rolle a blunt which rolling a cigarette isn't illegal uponit7771 Sep 2016 #218

Condensed version citood Sep 2016 #23

I hadn't thought of that Egnever Sep 2016 #120

While you are busy accusing Uponthegears Sep 2016 #24

Wow you are on the wrong site philosslayer Sep 2016 #25

Many, MANY DU'ers said same to you in two of your OP's the other day. KittyWampus Sep 2016 #41

You are literally the very last person Codeine Sep 2016 #56

For real. romanic Sep 2016 #72

Between advocating Islamification and riots... NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #195

You ignore the fact that she may have been yelling "don't do it" at all those cops uppityperson Sep 2016 #29

Ummm, she yelled his name each time before saying "don't do it" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #36

Yes, I did watch and listen. Since all you do is insult people who disagree with you, I'm done with uppityperson Sep 2016 #37

Why did the cops? Rex Sep 2016 #33

Because there are liars in al walks of life, whatever the reasons. n/t Avalux Sep 2016 #35

People love to buy into lies if it fits an agenda. ileus Sep 2016 #38

Because they were distraught over seeing their father/husband shot down? Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #39

Your suicide by cop theory is very plausible Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #43

They'll never concede that he even had a gun. Yo_Mama Sep 2016 #44

This is totally absurd speculation and reveals nothing but prejudice. kwassa Sep 2016 #82

He had a book in his hand is the new he had a sandwich in his hand. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #40

Why did the Chief of Police say Scott did not raise a gun or fire at the cops? Rex Sep 2016 #46

Holy shit man you have been informed at least once by me and another time by another Egnever Sep 2016 #67

Why do you? Rex Sep 2016 #68

How about trying this......... mrmpa Sep 2016 #47

I don't think she lied. I think she really thought he did not have a gun. Lil Missy Sep 2016 #48

Does anyone know why they were bothering the guy in the first place? The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #51

I read a narrative...the cops were waiting to enact a warrant....ah found a version.. jmg257 Sep 2016 #52

The LEO said he was rolling a joint in his car which he had NO IDEA what it was then the LEO..... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #155

I saw this same thing in Milwaukee's Sherman Park. Archae Sep 2016 #55

oh haven't you heard the latest meme? Skittles Sep 2016 #77

Whoa... Citrus Sep 2016 #57

There are many references to him having a book by the family Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #61

Eesh... Citrus Sep 2016 #123

Just like honey badger, JTFrog Sep 2016 #184

^^^^ Well Put Citrus Nictuku Sep 2016 #62

Thank you for being sensible. Warpy Sep 2016 #64

Perfect reply. Rex Sep 2016 #65

++++ uppityperson Sep 2016 #76

+++ salin Sep 2016 #81

Thank you. TeeYiYi Sep 2016 #113

THIS !!!! uponit7771 Sep 2016 #152

Why did the police escalate the situation? etherealtruth Sep 2016 #63

Why do the police lie about shootings? Are_grits_groceries Sep 2016 #66

wouldn't it be nice if people actually waited for the facts Skittles Sep 2016 #73

Wait for the facts ? MichMan Sep 2016 #78

they embarrass themselves greatly Skittles Sep 2016 #79

People are in such a hurry to respond to what they want to believe MichMan Sep 2016 #83

yup Skittles Sep 2016 #92

P'shaaw. What's important is being first to SHOUT OUT LOUD! X_Digger Sep 2016 #88

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2016 #89

Whose facts? The prosecutor, biased towards the cops? kwassa Sep 2016 #93

yes, we cannot believe our lying eyes Skittles Sep 2016 #94

Do you have a point? I should kick your ass ... kwassa Sep 2016 #98

both sides seem to have an agenda Skittles Sep 2016 #101

Where are the stills with nothing in his right hand? Egnever Sep 2016 #115

I got it from you, actually. kwassa Sep 2016 #127

I don't think that is clear enough to determine. Egnever Sep 2016 #134

You can't actually tell from that shot. It's a small gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #145

I've been told people who wait for facts are cop apologists. Ace Rothstein Sep 2016 #97

yup Skittles Sep 2016 #102

They often are. kwassa Sep 2016 #110

BUT NOT ALWAYS Skittles Sep 2016 #228

You mean the when the Chief leaks evidence that fits their narrative? tia uponit7771 Sep 2016 #186

as did the family? Skittles Sep 2016 #229

it would be believed cleveramerican Sep 2016 #90

Because they understand law enforcement? Matrosov Sep 2016 #100

And how that that help Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #103

I don't know, but I also don't know why it took so long to release the police video still_one Sep 2016 #104

It was released fairly quick all things considered. Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #106

Nothing in the videos so far shows anything in either hand. kwassa Sep 2016 #109

First of all the only reason they finally realease it was because of pressure from local still_one Sep 2016 #129

Releasing video too so can harm an investigation Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #144

I wonder when attitudes changed sarisataka Sep 2016 #107

Foul on the play. You can't use their own words against them. Tain't fair, McGee! n/t X_Digger Sep 2016 #108

Would a white man have been shot in the same situation? curlyred Sep 2016 #121

White folks are killed by police at twice the rate of black folks... TCJ70 Sep 2016 #132

That is a very tricky number Egnever Sep 2016 #140

It's not really a tricky number... TCJ70 Sep 2016 #150

Interesting study on the matter Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #163

Normal reaction... Mike Nelson Sep 2016 #141

Every word of this could be true . . . DeltaLitProf Sep 2016 #142

+1, and there's no photo evidence of Scott with a gun in his hand uponit7771 Sep 2016 #171

I see the "blame the victim" narrative is in full swing. baldguy Sep 2016 #146

When I watched the tape instead of just reading the transcript, it seemed clear pnwmom Sep 2016 #147

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #154

How do you know the gun and holster were his? Vinca Sep 2016 #148

The holster is plainly visible on his right ankle in the body cam video Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #149

Thanks for the information. That said, since it's an open carry state, so what? Vinca Sep 2016 #213

It was the combination of drugs and the gun Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #214

If everyone rolling a joint who happened to have a gun was executed, the population would Vinca Sep 2016 #215

I was a deputy as well, if you were a cop you know very well Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #219

No, this is simply your opinion of the reason. kwassa Sep 2016 #225

I know I don't believe the cops. Vinca Sep 2016 #226

The holster is plainly evident. FBaggins Sep 2016 #217

There's STILL no photo evidence of a gun in Scott's hand, the OP and everyone who uponit7771 Sep 2016 #153

The holster is on his leg, the gun was recovered, it is covered in his DNA and fingerprints Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #176

All still no evidence of a gun IN HIS HAND AT THE TIME THEY SHOT HIM. Even when looking at the scene uponit7771 Sep 2016 #177

They were not just yelling for him to drop the gun for the fun of it Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #180

Yes there is, there has been many orange wallet shootings... ham Sandwhichs etc uponit7771 Sep 2016 #182

So explain to me how it goes down in your world Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #188

It is possible that they spotted in the ankle holster .... kwassa Sep 2016 #191

So why doesn't he raise his hands to show they are empty when confronted? Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #194

He has a traumatic brain injury ... kwassa Sep 2016 #196

What is the evidence of that? nt hack89 Sep 2016 #227

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #181

This is false on its face, she said he had no weapon...there's been no evidence of a GUN IN HIS HAND uponit7771 Sep 2016 #183

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #185

Strawman, there's no photo evidence of a weapon IN HIS HAND. The wife is right and the LEOs uponit7771 Sep 2016 #187

She never said "in his hand" Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #189

She doesn't have to to be correct, I have a wallet... I don't have one in my hand at the time I'm uponit7771 Sep 2016 #190

I don't think there's any level of proof that they'll accept. Marr Sep 2016 #192

+++++THERE'S NO PHOTO EVIDENCE OF SCOTT WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND ++++++++++ uponit7771 Sep 2016 #151

You look absurd at this point. Just stop. Marr Sep 2016 #193

you can't see a gun but a reasonable person assumes there is one? treestar Sep 2016 #200

Here is a frame by frame analysis exboyfil Sep 2016 #201

Irrelevant, even in that analysis THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF A GUN IN HIS HAND uponit7771 Sep 2016 #204

There isn't any evidence that the police planted a gun FBaggins Sep 2016 #212

We agree then, onus still on the LEOs because if it wasn't in his hand he posed no threat... given uponit7771 Sep 2016 #216

We can certainly agree that IF the gun wasn't in his hand, then he posed them no threat. FBaggins Sep 2016 #220

There's no photo evidence of a gun that has been shown, I need DIRECT photo evidence not conjecture uponit7771 Sep 2016 #221

+1, meaning a person giving the CPD the UNEARNED benefit of the doubt ... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #203

Why do you think the CPD should not get the benefit of the doubt..i.e. anything specific? jmg257 Sep 2016 #206

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position. THERE'S NO PHOTO EVIDENCE OF A GUN IN HIS HAND uponit7771 Sep 2016 #202

Maybe you're right, but... Whiskeytide Sep 2016 #205

He got the LEO attention by waiving the gun & rolling a joint in public. GOLGO 13 Sep 2016 #207

There's no video or photo evidence of him waving anything and the LEO didn't know it was a joint vs uponit7771 Sep 2016 #223

What the fuck does it matter? N.C. is open carry Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #222

Witnesses at the scene said it was a book. wildeyed Sep 2016 #224

Update - Keith Scott was carrying stolen gun Crabby Appleton Sep 2016 #230

Scott was a killer who was a danger to Law Enforcement because he carried a gun illegally Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #231

So full of yourself Citrus Sep 2016 #232