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In reply to the discussion: Nobodyspecial: Don't Vote Obama -- If you want some crazy-ass far-right extremist running the U.S. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)52. Speaking
Oh sorry you're right
clearly my problem is I take the OP at it's word, assuming the words are supposed to denote the authors meaning rather then assigning whatever arbitrary meaning will make it sound better and be more defensible.
(do I need a sarcasm smiley here?)
Anyway, I am afraid you still fail at advertising 101.
Arguing that you should choose A because B is worse still sends the message that A isn't great. Just because one guy is horrible does not mean his opponent is awesome. They can both be bad and the OP not only doesn't show why one is awsome, it feeds into the assumption that both may suck.
Which means you fail logic too (excluded middle).
And yet you all seem to think this will convince anyone?
I am going to vote for Obama and even I am not convinced. So if you turn off your own side, what chance do you have?
clearly my problem is I take the OP at it's word, assuming the words are supposed to denote the authors meaning rather then assigning whatever arbitrary meaning will make it sound better and be more defensible.
(do I need a sarcasm smiley here?)
Anyway, I am afraid you still fail at advertising 101.
Arguing that you should choose A because B is worse still sends the message that A isn't great. Just because one guy is horrible does not mean his opponent is awesome. They can both be bad and the OP not only doesn't show why one is awsome, it feeds into the assumption that both may suck.
Which means you fail logic too (excluded middle).
And yet you all seem to think this will convince anyone?
I am going to vote for Obama and even I am not convinced. So if you turn off your own side, what chance do you have?
...of "fail," if you took the OP at its word, you wouldn't be rejecting the premise that "crazy-ass far-right extremist" is bad for the U.S.
I mean, do you envision a situation in which "crazy-ass far-right extremist" might be the better choice?
"Arguing that you should choose A because B is worse still sends the message that A isn't great."
Flawed! If someone tells you to choose A (a straight path) because B (a cliff into the abyss) is worse, that doesn't mean "A isn't great." It means use your head.
You're free to argue that A is better than B, but it would be silly to claim that A is only better than B because B is the abyss.
By that logic, given a choice between life and death, life is only better because death is worse.
That is the gist of the negative frame, absolutism.
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Nobodyspecial: Don't Vote Obama -- If you want some crazy-ass far-right extremist running the U.S. [View all]
nobodyspecial
Dec 2011
OP
Thank you - best analogy for the "let it burn" position. I will be borrowing this,
arely staircase
Dec 2011
#14
I think you have it backwards. Pointing out the consequences of a Nader vote in 2000 resulted in his
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#61
I highly doubt the Democratic party worries about people voting against the party from the left.
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#70
We won the last Presidential Election and we're going to win the next one, too.
MjolnirTime
Dec 2011
#68
I can only imagine that the "let it burn" crowd don't have children to whom they wish to hand
arely staircase
Dec 2011
#13
please show me where I have characterized those who are angry at Obama as nihilists or
arely staircase
Dec 2011
#43
I'm tired of all the extremism and hyperbole on both sides of the issue, period.
Quartermass
Dec 2011
#27
But what makes you think that someone is going to get something just because they need it?
BzaDem
Dec 2011
#64
Preaching to the choir and turning on the pew members in case they might think for themselves.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#58
I think that you're right. People who learn to think are a problem. But only to those who cannot
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2011
#60