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loyalsister

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40. After reading a couple of articles

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:07 AM

Sep 2016

it's not clear to me whether it was a seizure or mental illness. In either case it is possible for a person to look as if they are behaving purposefully when the behaviors are automatic and actually serve no purpose. Mental health training would tell them that.

If cops aren't trained to discern the difference between threatening and non-threatening behaviors, all they are good for is writing tickets and shooting people who they say scare them.

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Alfred Olango: US police kill mentally ill black man [View all] MrScorpio Sep 2016 OP

looks like a shooting stance to me DrDan Sep 2016 #1

Again, the man was unarmed. MrScorpio Sep 2016 #2

that's ridiculous - all I said was that it looked like a shooting stance DrDan Sep 2016 #4

Looks to me that the cop was clearly close enough to this man to see that he was unarmed. MrScorpio Sep 2016 #6

he apparently had something in his hand (not a gun) - not as yet identified DrDan Sep 2016 #7

Again, it's the cop's responsibility to know whether or not they're facing a weapon... MrScorpio Sep 2016 #8

the excuse being - "let's wait and see what he had in his hands"????????????? DrDan Sep 2016 #9

That's right. You identify a weapon. MrScorpio Sep 2016 #11

my point is - I will withhold judgement until I know what he was holding and pointing DrDan Sep 2016 #14

The thing is, it if you're black, you don't need to be armed for cops to use deadly force in America MrScorpio Sep 2016 #16

Execrable. Totally unjustified police action. raging moderate Sep 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author raging moderate Sep 2016 #29

If police must shoot men pointing guns, why not this white guy? raging moderate Sep 2016 #31

The important thing of course, is what it looks like to you. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #3

no - the important thing is what it looked like to that officer DrDan Sep 2016 #5

That cop to the left looks pretty close Bethany Rockafella Sep 2016 #26

or something that appears to look like a gun - something other than a gun was in his hands DrDan Sep 2016 #35

It was a vaping device. maveric56 Sep 2016 #49

so it could potentially look like a gun barrel - particularly in a split-second view DrDan Sep 2016 #50

So could a licorice stick. maveric56 Sep 2016 #52

did you look at that image? DrDan Sep 2016 #55

So a cop standing seven feet away couldn't distinguish that from a gun? maveric56 Sep 2016 #56

depending how it was held - and in a shooting position - and in a split-second . . . . DrDan Sep 2016 #57

And and and... Rex Sep 2016 #64

People need to quit calling the police for mental health issues Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #10

Definitely. Having a mental health episode in the proximity of the police... MrScorpio Sep 2016 #13

I agree so who do you call? Bethany Rockafella Sep 2016 #30

In my part of NC they actually have on-call mental health crisis teams Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #32

Bullshit BronxBoy Sep 2016 #62

And that kind of shit is what has to change Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #63

I agree BronxBoy Sep 2016 #66

We, paramedics, will respond to mental health issues Krytan11c Sep 2016 #43

Sadly, sometimes the person calling gets killed Bonx Sep 2016 #47

You're full of shit.... BronxBoy Sep 2016 #65

Tragic circumstances and ending, but justified shoot Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #12

There also will be idiots who seem to think shootings of unarmed black is a goro thing and defend... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #15

"Those people seem to think we don't notice who they are" Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #18

Damn skippy nt MrScorpio Sep 2016 #19

call 'em out . . . how dare they have different opinion based on evidence DrDan Sep 2016 #36

yes, how dare we expect police to act with consideration and intelligence! TheSarcastinator Sep 2016 #21

a challenge just for you! TheSarcastinator Sep 2016 #22

Well just recently Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #24

oh good TheSarcastinator Sep 2016 #25

Let's start with you being honest Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #27

Reports were the police knew it was a psych problem gwheezie Sep 2016 #33

It's too soon to know what they knew Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #34

it certainly appears to be so - the picture of him taking a "shooting stance" and pointing DrDan Sep 2016 #37

Kill first, make excuses, smear the unarmed dead guy, ask questions later. Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #17

this live-action video game PROVES you would have killed him too!!!! TheSarcastinator Sep 2016 #20

The cops were close enough to see what was in his hands, "stance" notwithstanding Stinky The Clown Sep 2016 #38

I would love to put you through some simulations Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #41

Exactly. If I want to read cops-can-do-no-wrong bullshit, MindPilot Sep 2016 #23

Have you seen the footage? NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #39

After reading a couple of articles loyalsister Sep 2016 #40

A Full on Psychiatrist can't diagnose someone in seconds from a distance Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #42

There is such a thing as mental health training loyalsister Sep 2016 #44

I've actually has the most extensive version offered to LE in my state Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #46

"not following commands" loyalsister Sep 2016 #48

Is good to listen to those around when it's possible Lee-Lee Sep 2016 #53

Mentally ill people can be armed and dangerous. nt B2G Sep 2016 #45

So let's shoot them? maveric56 Sep 2016 #51

"white people who have pointed actual loaded weapons at cops and have came out of it ALIVE." Bonx Sep 2016 #54

Exactly. I'm so tired of cop apologists when it is CLEAR there is a disparity alarimer Sep 2016 #58

I'm not sure you read what i posted. Bonx Sep 2016 #60

I've seen the photo. One cop fired his taser, the other his gun. Olango did take an aggressor stance tonyt53 Sep 2016 #59

A little background of policing in San Diego County from a long time native... haele Sep 2016 #61

Thank you very much for this background information MrScorpio Sep 2016 #67

Local PBS station had a quote from the mayor of El Cajon this morning... haele Sep 2016 #70

Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #68

SAD Mr Dixon Sep 2016 #69

I know this is sacrilege in our gun-crazy society... hunter Sep 2016 #71