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William deB. Mills

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43. So Government Should Never Be Pro-Business

Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:20 PM

Jun 2012

Great post. You are exactly correct that businesses do not exist to create jobs. That is why we have government - to protect citizens from selfish businesses. One of the key purposes of government is to ensure that we have a just financial system that creates jobs through regulation, i.e., through the manipulation of businesses to make them serve not just the CEOs but primarily the society. As long as business serves society (thanks to government oversight), we allow business to exist. But business has no "right" to exist; only people have "rights." Institutions, be they commerical or governmental, have no rights; institutions are but tools to serve mankind. Therefore, no politician should ever be "business-friendly." The job of politicians is to be "friendly" to human beings.

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Businesses do not exist to create jobs. [View all] Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 OP

The question is how can government create an environment conducive to businesses creating jobs. dkf Jun 2012 #1

The ONLY thing that "grows businesses" is customers. . .n/t annabanana Jun 2012 #3

Yes, and when people are not working or are not making decent wages Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #5

Conservatives dont want to shrink government. They would expand military spending infinitly. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #10

Yes, you nailed their motives. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #11

Apple gets more business internationally than domestically. 64% of its revenues are overseas. dkf Jun 2012 #35

and 36% of their sales comes from a market that is 5% or less of the global population TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #58

That's a great point. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #62

Do you have a suggestion? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #4

We need an atmosphere of certainty for one. dkf Jun 2012 #12

And what about the mountains of cash businesses have accumulated over the past 10-15 years? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #15

That's either cash they've built up because they can't repatriate it without paying hefty taxes or dkf Jun 2012 #20

And what would recommend doing about any of these things? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #21

Business and Government need to cooperate. dkf Jun 2012 #29

So you advocate for another stimulus package? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #31

If it is paired with longer term reform then yes. dkf Jun 2012 #34

What reforms are you looking for? Which ones would excite business? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #41

Everything needs to be an investment for the future. dkf Jun 2012 #47

I like your ideas. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #50

It is quite a pipedream. It ignores demand and is based on the premise that TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #53

Our companies are finding new consumers all over this world. That is what we should be aiming for. dkf Jun 2012 #61

Yes I have a suggestion, VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT! xtraxritical Jun 2012 #17

Yes, indeed! Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #22

Democrat Does Not Equal Progressive William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #49

Who are the Green or Socialist candidates? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #54

Bringing Minor Parties into the Debate William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #56

It appears neither the Green Party or Socialist Party has a set candidate. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #59

Parties in the 2012 Race William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #69

An "atmosphere of certainty"? Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #52

I look at it differently.... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #7

You nailed it. freshwest Jun 2012 #9

Exactly. And it's why regulation works. Auggie Jun 2012 #13

You can't coerce anyone into creating a job. dkf Jun 2012 #14

Get real.... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #18

Or it encourages them to move elsewhere. dkf Jun 2012 #30

You may not be able to do it but people can be coerced into creating jobs. GOTV Jun 2012 #68

"....an environment conducive to businesses creating jobs...." = a healthy, kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #40

Put everyone to work either in the military or producing weapons 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #48

Easy. Put money in people's pockets. Only consumer demand creates jobs. GOTV Jun 2012 #66

This is something that should be repeated, and annabanana Jun 2012 #2

It depends on what you want the outcome to be nobodyspecial Jun 2012 #6

They don't care ..... Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #23

True and now they are apparently more profitable than ever and not creating jobs treestar Jun 2012 #8

How do you qualify for not fitting in the capitalist mode? Not studying and getting an education? dkf Jun 2012 #16

What about people with no option to get an education? treestar Jun 2012 #19

Are you really that obtuse? Quantess Jun 2012 #26

I'm not advocating for pure capitalism just some recognition on what drives achievement. dkf Jun 2012 #36

Okay, that I can understand. So you are a devil's advocate, then? Quantess Jun 2012 #38

The answer to your question.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #65

Who in the USA decides "to do nothing"? Oh, besides trust-fund kids who Quantess Jun 2012 #45

Capitalists, always see cutting labor costs as one of the best ways to make a profit. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #24

Of course. And for a few hundred years formula has served well. Zax2me Jun 2012 #25

Yes. It is customers who create the jobs. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #27

Economics 101 Bluzmann57 Jun 2012 #28

China figured it out. dkf Jun 2012 #37

Exactly Samantha Jun 2012 #63

Demand = Jobs. But each job must create a profit to be retained. lynne Jun 2012 #32

And maintain profit (or otherwise enrich executvies) = outsourcing. BadgerKid Jun 2012 #46

The ultimate goal of business The Wizard Jun 2012 #33

as a guy who has owned two businesses hfojvt Jun 2012 #39

Why would you establish a business if there was no intent to make profit? Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #42

the purpose of my business hfojvt Jun 2012 #51

So Government Should Never Be Pro-Business William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #43

Well, Mitt says "Corporations are people, too, my friend." Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #44

Corporations Are People William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #55

Excellent. You said so much very well. Tennessee Gal Jun 2012 #60

Businesses do not exist to create jobs. That is the fundamental problem with capitalism. Zalatix Jun 2012 #57

True...but of course, businesses need to hire people to run them. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #64

Agreed! n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #71

Every business I've ever worked for needed to hire people in order to operate slackmaster Jun 2012 #67

True, but business 101 says hold down expense Spike89 Jun 2012 #70