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In reply to the discussion: RadFeminists are making it difficult for the Democratic party to fight the GOP's attack on women [View all]
RainDog
(28,784 posts)320. that's a tricky one
Gloria Steinem was not against all porn - she made a distinction between certain sorts of porn and lighter forms she called "erotica."
Others, such as Dworkin and feminists who spoke against the anti-porn movement in feminism, did not make that exception - they said the term was not specific enough - which, of course, comes down to the definition of porn itself - the "I know it when I see it" definition.
What constitutes porn for one doesn't constitute porn for the other.
Is Emmanuelle porn or erotica? Is The Story of O? Is Fifty Shades of Grey? Is it porn if it's visual and erotica if written?
I said you were anti-porn based upon your posts that I have seen here - but, again, I don't want to define you.
Anti-porn, at its most basic, is a movement that defines all porn as demeaning.
So, I guess you can tell me if you're anti-porn or not. And if that includes erotica or not.
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RadFeminists are making it difficult for the Democratic party to fight the GOP's attack on women [View all]
Harmony Blue
Jun 2012
OP
What you said! I read this OP and thought WTF?. ya, not really. more, i got his #
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#43
i have already run into this poster in a game thread earlier today. divisive is women speaking out.
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#52
i saw one. ALL the women in a lifetime i talk to and never a word. yes they know a few. simply
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#53
ya know. seeing how i scour the net to find topics to post, you would think i would run into ONE
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#67
that is right, maybe it is not shared with those of us that DON'T have. ya never know. nt
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#88
The plan is to keep them only until they have a good recipe and a marketing plan -
undeterred
Jun 2012
#125
Yep, and one for BBQ rocky mountain oysters on a stick. Could be sold at football games.
crunch60
Jun 2012
#172
"Until the RadFems tone down their malicious, misandrist rhetoric," Nonsense.
RadiationTherapy
Jun 2012
#3
maybe the women are buying into the "family value" issue cause of the pornification of our women?
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#259
Ok, but where do get women are supporting the GOP more than the Democrats?
liberal N proud
Jun 2012
#260
The lesbian daughter, if partnered, will have to take that .77 : 1.00 ration times two.
shcrane71
Jun 2012
#256
Apparently you don't see the irony in using a right wing term like "RadFems" to exhort the left to
scarletwoman
Jun 2012
#11
Complaints about anti-woman slurs, objectifying comments, and other offensive, bigoted behavior
redqueen
Jun 2012
#253
Need to name names because don't know any radfeminists turning off other women.
kiranon
Jun 2012
#12
all the women, in all the world that i talk to i have never heard one even come close to making
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#48
then why do we even care about them. and how drunk were they. had they just had the shit kick out
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#68
omg.... if i dig deep enough, and spend enough time, i MIGHT find some woman say something
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#77
I've heard this sort of thing, too. But it was clearly hyperbole/tongue-in-cheek.
kestrel91316
Jun 2012
#109
or he was a smart ass, cocky student challenging the woman professor thru out her class
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#163
"Rad Fems oppose pornography which is why they are not received well by society as a whole"
cyberswede
Jun 2012
#162
Didn't you know that brazzers.com is the great social litmus test of our age?
Scootaloo
Jun 2012
#166
you are sounding a bit hysterical, you know foaming at the mouth. HE asked for calm and reasoned,
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#71
i was in a good place as far as sexism was concerned, and remember the racism and homophobia
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#118
yep yep and yep. ones on uncontrolled boards that say the most amazing things. don't marry american
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#146
"RadFems"? Seriously? You kvetch about hyperbole/rhetoric and use a right-wing neologism.
Solly Mack
Jun 2012
#19
There's absolutely nothing "radfem" about what women have been saying and I'm a man...
steve2470
Jun 2012
#26
thank you for pointing that out. i saw i had to reply to a poster that went all hysterical on my
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#76
for a lifetime bullying has been an easy tell for me, and pretty damn fast. you are absolutely right
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#121
Did someone spray crazy anti-feminism juice over part of the country in the last 72 hours?
stevenleser
Jun 2012
#49
They are definitely outliers and not representative. This group self identifies with that label.
stevenleser
Jun 2012
#73
I found the term I was looking for, it's seperatist feminism. RadFem2012 is for seperatists.
stevenleser
Jun 2012
#359
They do, but I have been using the wrong terms. It really doesnt matter, the OP is wrongheaded
stevenleser
Jun 2012
#349
Trolls are making it difficult for DU to continue anything resembling a thoughtful discussion
KamaAina
Jun 2012
#85
oh mr OP man.... come out and play. we are being oh so calm and logical like instructed.
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#86
Who are these majority of female registered voters that buy into what the GOP is saying?
undeterred
Jun 2012
#97
i knew the wave battle was bullshit once we were hit with it. then i did months of research
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#130
I think she was talking about a mans opinion, not another woman's opinion.
boston bean
Jun 2012
#303
Sometimes, I do feel it is used to diminish the patriarchal effect on women.
boston bean
Jun 2012
#331
maybe that is the difference. maybe we see how another POV effects us all. nt
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#309
this would be the difference of seeing the whole and viewing individually. the issue. you defined
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#328
you cannot dismiss what i say merely by telling me i cannot state it or insult me.
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#335
no. you are not giving back what i give. you are not liking the view of 3rd wave
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#339
"not a true feminist." you are the only one that has said that, and repeatedly. woman,
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#342
That censorship you speak of is a two way street, when we as women are discussing this......
boston bean
Jun 2012
#267
Being anti porn as a woman and speaking out against it is not a censorship issue
boston bean
Jun 2012
#284
what does anti porn entail? and where does it say that a radfem does not have sex with a man? nt
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#281
Are you positive about all this? All radical feminists are also separatists and political lesbians?
redqueen
Jun 2012
#287
no. you said you thought i was anti porn. which is fair enough. i am asking you to define
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#317
so banning/censorship is not a must in defining anti porn? steinem is absolutely anti porn and sat
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#326
those are not my words. you declared that steinem did not have a firm position. i disagreed
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#336
hey DU "feminists". we will never say a peep about contraceptives and payact. bad and sad us....
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#350
Just as long as you keep your place and avoid carrying garden shears.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2012
#126
Harmony Blue seems to have run like his ass was on fire and his hair was catching
Scootaloo
Jun 2012
#117
I haven't encountered any truly radical feminists since grad school in the north east.
aikoaiko
Jun 2012
#122
i am scared mommy,make it stop. are these our RADnuns. i love me my radnuns. lol
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#171
the last half dozen living second wave feminists aren't exactly setting the public agenda
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jun 2012
#168
Julie Bindel is one of "the last half dozen living second wave feminists"? She's 50
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2012
#249
i think many do not understand what the real divide is. many feel the fun fem is about individual
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#319
I think the 'victims' are doing pretty well in this instance. This started as another "OMFG I can't
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#177
Given the demographics of the site I'm more disappointed than surprised. (nt)
Posteritatis
Jun 2012
#246
Harmony, I'll give you this. You've managed to scare your "men's rights" buddies into mass hysteria.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#182
For those of you who think radical feminists are like unicorns, wiki is your friend
Major Nikon
Jun 2012
#190
it is always interesting to hear men, carlin, define women. what they think and what they care about
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#248
why wouldnt it make sense there would be different areas in feminism. some more interested in one
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#250
you are going off a stereotypical white middle age mans definition of women and IGNORING
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#255
to suggest that a white man defining the womans movement, what we think and what we believe
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#292
are you suggesting we should put more weight in what a man says defining women, than what women say?
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#377
"It is also a big mistake to label a 2nd wave feminist as a 3rd wave, as it is considered an insult.
sufrommich
Jun 2012
#210
Don't forget about all the women who can't stop being fascsinated by this idiotic 'wave' crap.
redqueen
Jun 2012
#241
because it is all about your porn, and putting women in the back of the bus, isnt it. nt
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#238
i know. i started hearing ACCUSATION (as if an insult) of radfem. wiki'ed it and ah man,
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#236
So you choose to ignore all the feminists who take issue with radical feminism?
Major Nikon
Jun 2012
#313
ALL the feminist that have issue? the thing. the last handful of months i have been doing massive
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#323
it is how it is used and defined by others though. no different than liberal,
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#297
Was there a contest to see how many straw men arguments you could get in one post?
REP
Jun 2012
#200
do you know why these women dont buy into the left? moral decay. pornifying women. you get it???
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#254
Incorrect statement:It is quite apparent the majority of female registered voters are buying in
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#239
Bear in mind Harmony Blue had a post hidden for calling 2 DUers 'radical feminists'
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2012
#265
Yes, I am a PROUD Radical Feminist. Not a separatist, or a political lesbian.
redqueen
Jun 2012
#301
i dont know what the fuck i am. i have surprisingly been labeled about everything
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#304
i heard there were four forms of feminism in the 70s and rad was merely one. there was nothing
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#346
Few people could mistake calling out the mischaracterization (radicals are fringe)
redqueen
Jun 2012
#356
bah hahaha. i take it to factual definition and you turn it into a personal attack. you are a hoot
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#358
I hope someone sent a TOS alert on that one... By all rights that should earn him a PPR.
hlthe2b
Jun 2012
#369
I alerted on this and checked the ToS box, but it had already been adjudicated.
demmiblue
Jun 2012
#372
It is good that you can lol about this poster. However, there is a quality about his...
demmiblue
Jun 2012
#375
exactly. and i can see by the definition of radical how that would seem totally out of the norm....
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#384
i have heard you make this statement in the past. i can always appreciate this
seabeyond
Jun 2012
#353