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Mc Mike

(9,122 posts)
63. When Alton Sterling and Philando Castile got murdered, I had to write
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 07:39 AM
Oct 2016

their names down, because it was getting hard to keep track mentally of all the increasing number of names of all the victims.

For a couple of days, I mistakenly thought that there was another little kid with the initials "T.R.", that Cleveland cops had killed. It was actually Tyre King, killed in Columbus. I had to write down Keith L Scott and Terence Crutcher, because the murder incidents are piling up some more and I thought I'd wind up getting Walt Scott from North Charleston South Carolina confused with Keith Scott from North Carolina. It's not callousness, but feeling overwhelmed with futile outrage.

I've gone to quite a few protests and events in my area over the years, for Jonny Gammage, Stoney Bey, Jordan Miles (didn't get shot, still alive), Duane Dixon, Jerry Jackson. Deron Grimmett didn't get a protest, because he had a criminal record and was actively fleeing police, but his shooting was a cold blooded murder execution and endangered the public. I went to school with some of the Bey and Grimmett/Nye family, and Gammage lived in my neighborhood.

The crew of about 12 people I work with closely has 10 good guys, 2 rightwing rural gunnies. But one day last year I was having lunch with another crew, a couple of my trade and some other trades' members. They were kicking around the old "law and order" thing and "the guy was stupid, got what he deserved". I wasn't paying attention initially, so I asked "Is that the one where they shot the little kid, the one where they broke the guy's spine and killed him, the one where they killed the guy for loose cig sales, or the one that caused the riots, or the one down in FL? There's too many to keep track of." Nobody answered the question, but it wasn't really a question. It was just a long winded "please shut up". There were 2 bad race archetype oriented guys there, 3 uncommitted going along, but just declaring my ignorance that way, forcibly, broke that little law and order minute up. No one got mad, no one tried to argue. Someone turned the topic to sports.

These increased killings aren't happening in spite of us electing a Black President, they're because of it. If that wasn't the case, after the first big high-profile bad publicity screw up murder, every squad room across the country would have had sergeants telling everyone in no uncertain terms to not cause any huge p.r. problems for the department, to follow procedures exactly and properly, to be on their toes and mind their p's and q's. The killers are crooked and mobbed up, from L. E. outfits that are getting bribed by the real bad guys. Or they're from those klan and supremacist infiltrated L.E. outfits.

So the repugs are running a guy with EXTENSIVE mob ties and nazi ties, who campaigns on how our cities are lawless burning hellish war zones. And then, mirabile dictu, a steadily-increasing-in-tempo drumbeat of shootings and outraged community responses occur, and orange hitler is "right". Exactly the same as with "terror attacks".

This is not too hard to figure out.

Are men actually afraid women (or anyone) will laugh at them though? Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #1
Deeply so Warpy Sep 2016 #10
Are you sure about that? Seems like you hear of more girls who commit suicide from being laughed at Akicita Sep 2016 #46
Men are more likely to kill someone who laughs at them, not themselves. nt tblue37 Oct 2016 #56
I stopped caring when I was 17 or so. nt Francis Booth Sep 2016 #16
+1 deathrind Sep 2016 #51
Margaret Atwood is one of my favorite authors. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #2
she has long been one of my favouriites. niyad Sep 2016 #3
It is a somewhat older article. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #5
What you need is a man to explain to you why that's wrong. Orrex Sep 2016 #4
ah, yes, of course. if only. . . . niyad Sep 2016 #6
K&R for a classic. Brickbat Sep 2016 #7
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2016 #8
Great Quote. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #9
Was Atwood refering to a Middle Eastern culture? The men and women I know don't typically go through Akicita Sep 2016 #11
there is plenty of dmoestic abuse in this country and all over the world Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #12
That's *different* though ck4829 Sep 2016 #18
was hoping that was sarcasm Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #27
True. But if you asked typical men and women to list the top ten things they fear I think being Akicita Sep 2016 #20
That's so cute! REP Sep 2016 #31
Thank you so much. Akicita Sep 2016 #47
The statement is "archetypal", and you somehow confused that descriptive word with "atypical". Mc Mike Sep 2016 #42
Obvious we are not on the same page. Akicita Sep 2016 #44
It's fair to say we're not on the same page. Mc Mike Sep 2016 #49
Nice try trying to put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I state that people think they are more likely Akicita Sep 2016 #50
No. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #53
"I know what she went through" annabanana Oct 2016 #55
Sandra Fluke, not Sandra Bland. Bland died for failing to show sufficient submission tblue37 Oct 2016 #57
Thank you, tblue. Corrected. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #58
Or a sign that shows there are so many outrages and abuses that it gets hard to tblue37 Oct 2016 #62
When Alton Sterling and Philando Castile got murdered, I had to write Mc Mike Oct 2016 #63
Excellent post. annabanana Oct 2016 #54
Thanks, & you're welcome, anna. nt. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #64
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #59
Thanks, nt. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #65
A young lady I was steady with when we were 16-21 ended up marrying a Middle Eastern man. Francis Booth Sep 2016 #17
I have a similar story, though as probability would indicate, the husband was a white, Christian mal LanternWaste Sep 2016 #22
Bastards come in all flavors, I guess. Francis Booth Sep 2016 #25
I too pretend to know what the men and women I know are thinking as well. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #21
You and the op apparently Egnever Sep 2016 #24
The OP is not Margaret Atwood. The OP quoted Margaret Atwood. REP Sep 2016 #32
Are you directing that comment at me or the person who pretends to know that women fear being killed Akicita Sep 2016 #48
It is not the fears that are logical or expressed. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #61
"Perhaps both should stop living in fear." Shandris Sep 2016 #13
For women, that's not really a safe approach to life Patiod Sep 2016 #41
As a woman, I see the truth in this quote. mountain grammy Sep 2016 #14
+1 Betty88 Sep 2016 #19
I am a man and I get it 100%. JanMichael Sep 2016 #26
so does my husband mountain grammy Sep 2016 #33
So do I. To be honest, men terrify me. I don't want to think this way, smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #45
After hearing this, a man tried to Ilsa Sep 2016 #15
correct Skittles Sep 2016 #23
witness some of the replies in this thread alone. niyad Sep 2016 #28
. . . niyad Sep 2016 #29
More than anything, ronnie624 Sep 2016 #30
I was always the anti-male, which earned me quite a bit of bullying Francis Booth Sep 2016 #43
Sorry to hear that. I don't think this hyper-masculine culture is good for smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #60
Thanks - funnily enough, my son turned out exactly as I was; shy, Francis Booth Oct 2016 #66
nearly every woman will tell you that they dont like to go out alone at night. mopinko Sep 2016 #34
and yet, we have people on this thread alone denying the reality of women's existence. niyad Sep 2016 #35
i know. mopinko Sep 2016 #36
I do understand!! niyad Sep 2016 #37
"fight back"--holly near niyad Sep 2016 #38
we need that post like button. mopinko Sep 2016 #39
you are most welcome niyad Sep 2016 #40
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