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ColemanMaskell

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64. Book about Vegan diet you might find helpful
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 10:54 AM
Oct 2016

This is a sort of a book report about it that I have circulated to friends and acquaintances.

The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, PhD, and Thomas M. Campbell II.
ISBN 1-932100-66-0, and/or 9781932100662, and/or 9781932100389
(c) 2006, published in paperback by BenBella Books, www.ipgbook.com

Synopsis:
The author was raised on a farm and believed consumption of animal protein to be the key to good health, until years of scientific research convinced him otherwise.
He was convinced by demographic data (on humans) and subsequent supporting laboratory data on rodents, including many experiments he conducted himself (and ultimately on himself).
His first major job as a young-ish scientist was to find ways to bring protein to underprivileged children in the Philippines. He discovered that aflatoxin in peanut butter made from moldy peanuts was causing liver cancer in children, but much to his suprise, the liver cancer was most common among the rich kids who ate a lot of animal products (rather than the poor kids who ate a lot of peanut butter).
He got some rats, divided them into groups, and fed them different diets. His rats died of cancer on diets high in milk protein. This was repeated with other animal proteins. Rats who ate zero animal protein could gobble up loads of aflatoxin without getting sick.
When premier Chou En Lai of China developed cancer not long after that, a massive demographic study was undertaken in China. Being in the area and having made contacts, Campbell got in on it, and I think he said he directed it. He reiterates his credentials a lot.
They looked at the geographical distribution of cancer in China (a big place) and then found out what the people in the different areas ate. It turned out that regions where mostly plant foods were consumed showed little or no cancer. As animal protein intake increased, so did cancer.
At extremely low levels the effect leveled off; that is, the difference between tiny and teensy weensy didn't seem to matter.
Similarly he later saw a study someone else had done on American nurses, all of whom consumed high levels of animal protein (which no group in China did), and there was no observable variation in effect at the high end either; that is, the difference between a huge amount and an an even bigger amount made no difference.
So consuming anything from zero up to a tiny bit of animal protein doesn't correlate to cancer, and after that you can draw a graph showing that cancer goes up in proportion as animal protein intake goes up, until you reach a pretty big amount of animal protein, and after that the risk levels off at a high level.
He makes a big hoop-la pointing out that the data from various studies quoted to indict fat consumption, or animal fat consumption, have not measured fat consumption specifically by itself, but rather consumption of animal products. He thinks animal proteins cause a lot of the problems that have been attributed to animal fats. The groups that were studied consumed animal fat and animal protein together, as meat, whole milk, eggs etc. When he looked at some other data where people had reduced fat consumption while increasing animal protein consumption (switching to skim milk, white turkey meat, etc), the change didn't improve their situation at all. So, two points here; (1) animal food is the problem, not animal fat, and (2) scientists are being sloppy.
He particularly indicts milk protein, but finds fault with animal-based foods in general.
He proposes possible mechanisms.
Incompletely digested short chains of amino acids get into the bloodstream, where the body makes antibodies against them. As an example, one small chain from a milk protein has been shown to resemble the cells in the pancreas, and the antibodies then attack the pancreas also. (This particular reaction only happens if the person also has the genetic predisposition to diabetes.) Studies of diabetes in children show that infants weaned from mother's milk onto cow's milk formula at a very early age are vastly more likely to develop childhood diabetes.
He generalizes that a similar mechanism can account for a lot of autoimmune diseases, and gives interesting demographic statistics to support that viewpoint. (Example, Dairy-eating areas of Norway have more arthritis than seafood-eating areas. Further studies show that this correlation holds even when the second group doesn't eat seafood, so it isn't about the fish oil.)
Another possible mechanism has to do with the sulfur-based amino acids, found mainly in animal protein, which supposedly produce a more acidic, in fact sulfuric-acid, condition in the body, dissolving things that shouldn't be dissolved, and imbalancing calcium in the process.
He goes on to say that cutting out animal foods is not, in and of itself, sufficient. We need whole plant foods, especially the colorful ones (dark green, bright red and orange) which contain a pantheon of carotenoids (and fiber). Apparently beta carotene and lycopene tablets alone won't do the job. He complains repeatedly about bad methodology in reported studies. (Scientists being sloppy again.) Scientists have measured carotene levels in the blood of groups of people who eat a lot of fresh fruit and vegetables, and who don't get cancer, and these sloppy scientists have leapt to the conclusion that the beta carotene protected the people from the cancer. However carotene tablets alone don't do that. You have to eat the whole food and get the whole range of related compounds to get the effect.
On protein, we don't need as much protein as we seem to think, and plant foods have more protein than we might think. Ten per cent of the calories in spinach come from protein. All whole grains, for example corn, have protein. Beans, lentils, chick peas are high in protein.
He complains about "junk food vegetarians" and also about vitamin supplements. Eat whole plant foods, he advises, not Fruit Loops and potato chips, not vitamin pills washed down with Coca Cola. However, he does acknowledge that supplements of B-12 and D are necessary for some people; (B-12 comes from animal products and also from soil bacteria if it's the appropriately fertilized kind of soil) (The D of course requires sunshine to form naturally but can also be had from some animal sources such as cod liver oil).
The observations are much the same for heart disease as for cancer, and for all autoimmune diseases mentioned including MS. In areas where people eat plant-based whole food diets the diseases are almost nonexistent, and in areas where people eat highly processed diets high in animal products the incidence shoots up. When individuals move from one group to another, their risk profile morphs into that of their adopted life style.
In this context he tells an interesting anecdote about his pet rats. When they had been exposed to carcinogens and developed budding cancers, he switched them to a plant based diet, and the cancers remained dormant indefinitely. If, however, the rats reverted to an animal protein diet, the cancers resumed activity and grew. Several variations in the timing demonstrated that the cancers could more or less be awakened or rendered dormant at any point by changes in diet alone. However, they couldn't be eliminated. Once extant, they remained lurking forever, waiting for a chance to reactivate.
He mentions that there are senators and scientists in the pay of big money interests. (Wow, really? You may say.) You might think Cattlemen's Association types, or Nestle and Kraft, but they aren't his main villains.
In especially low esteem he holds The National Dairy Council (or whatever they're called now), which he seems to view as being on a par with the tobacco industry. Their marketing campaigns aimed at children and misrepresented as nutritional education seem to get to him the worst.
Beyond that, and more generally, having been on high-up government scientific committees he can tell first hand stories, and he does, naming people and everything.
Being seventy years old when he writes the book, he apparently isn't too afraid they'll ruin his future. Or maybe he's just gotten overconfident because their efforts so far have mostly failed (according to his telling of it). He says he's in excellent health, but his claim to be motivated (to write the book) by something like altruism, combined with his talk about his age, gives the text a little of the air of a deathbed oratory.
Does milk protein cause cancer, as the data demonstrate, and does the dairy industry know it, in the tradition of the tobacco industry? Interesting in this context is research he describes towards the end of the book, funded by the dairy industry to try to show an anticarcinogenic effect from a component of milk, a fatty acid derived from linoleic acid in corn oil in the corn the cows eat. Dubious experiments are done feeding mice the fatty acid (CLA) by itself. Other experiments are done to prove that feeding cows more corn increases the CLA in the milk. So far nothing to show that any milk product has any good effect. Eventually the researchers feed some mice a milk product containing CLA, but the milk product they choose is butter. (So, how much do they know, and when did they know it?)
It's actually one of the best diet/ health/ nutrition books I've ever read.
He doesn't recommend that you need to cut out all animal protein, but he thinks that less is better and zero is probably just fine as long as you get your B-12 (and D). He does seem to recommend staying away from milk products pretty completely.

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Because humanity comes first. MicaelS Oct 2016 #1
But ehat about my points in which Animal Rights affect humanity? nt retrowire Oct 2016 #8
Not interested. MicaelS Oct 2016 #62
That's such a callous attitude athena Oct 2016 #94
Because animals don't vote, is my guess. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #2
+1000 Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #7
they don't financially support campaigns gopiscrap Oct 2016 #103
There's just not enough time Renew Deal Oct 2016 #3
Good idea, that would be a curveball retrowire Oct 2016 #9
Hillary: Detailed Answer. Trump: "Animals. We love animals. We love animals that have breasts." Renew Deal Oct 2016 #20
So, Donald loves mammals then. geardaddy Oct 2016 #79
I would consider it progress if women's rights were an issue in presidential politics Orrex Oct 2016 #4
They were bringing up womens right to choose in thr VP debate the other night. retrowire Oct 2016 #10
Yes, and it was big news that women's rights were mentioned at all Orrex Oct 2016 #15
Hey! neither issue is a waste. retrowire Oct 2016 #17
Sorry to break the news to you, then. Orrex Oct 2016 #22
its still not a waste and I resent that comment. retrowire Oct 2016 #24
Well, you seemed more reasonable about it downthread Orrex Oct 2016 #49
you made that point already i get it lol nt retrowire Oct 2016 #52
It's not until animals vote in large numbers...it's until people do ! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #45
It's not that simple Orrex Oct 2016 #53
When pressing this issue, much is accomplished at the local level. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #58
That was a euphemism Orrex Oct 2016 #68
Well here's a nice link you'll like then. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #14
Because most Americans eat them SHRED Oct 2016 #5
My vegan heart understands this as humor. retrowire Oct 2016 #16
Some we call "pets"... SHRED Oct 2016 #34
Have you ever lived in America? CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #6
Lived here all my life. retrowire Oct 2016 #12
One of America's greatest advocates for animals was Teddy Roosevelt... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #80
i dunno. i could work with him. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #81
John Muir, who abhored hunting, did work with TR, even camping together... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #85
au contraire buddy, Do your research. Not a MAJOR issue perhaps, but here's something for you ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #11
Thank you! retrowire Oct 2016 #13
Debates have limited time and they have to hit on the issues voters value most ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #21
The Humane Society has an anti-Trump ad video ! ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #92
That's a great ad! athena Oct 2016 #96
What, exactly, do you want them to say? Orrex Oct 2016 #18
I see what youre saying. retrowire Oct 2016 #19
In a word, yes. Orrex Oct 2016 #23
by the way, if you're an animal rights activist and you want to be effective, ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #25
I am an animal rights advocate retrowire Oct 2016 #27
Book about Vegan diet you might find helpful ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #64
People are responsible for their own actions. athena Oct 2016 #97
So for you it's about responsibility, not about helping the animals? Fair enough. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #98
It is not possible to change someone else's views. athena Oct 2016 #100
Societal priorities. Not saying it's right but it is what it is. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #26
I'm happy with her platform as well. retrowire Oct 2016 #29
I really wish it was discussed more on the stump. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #33
Totally agree! retrowire Oct 2016 #40
We have argued a bit. We have also agreed more. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #47
Aww thats the first time I've felt any friendliness retrowire Oct 2016 #48
If you're talking about PETA... MicaelS Oct 2016 #88
OK. Seems you can only think of one group. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #89
It's called Human Decency. Iggo Oct 2016 #28
facepalm. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #31
rimshot. nt Iggo Oct 2016 #38
What, exactly, is "called Human Decency"? sammythecat Oct 2016 #111
The thing that's referred to in the OP as "Animal Rights." Iggo Oct 2016 #112
Ah! My apologies Iggo. sammythecat Oct 2016 #115
Well, that is a good question because they should be. Beginning with the using of animals in labs EV_Ares Oct 2016 #30
If you abuse animals you will abuse people. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #59
Because Household Pets Don't Vote! BKH70041 Oct 2016 #32
If they did, I suspect they would heavily support the no-forced-sterilization lobby Major Nikon Oct 2016 #57
Donald Trump hates dogs!!! blue cat Oct 2016 #35
Yes! And he wants to eliminate regulations on pet food ingredients. Sicko. femmocrat Oct 2016 #51
Well his kid(s) hunt big cats and such in Africa. There are photos online. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #99
It's a fringe issue at best....that falls way down the list beachbumbob Oct 2016 #36
Huh? Remember this... jberryhill Oct 2016 #37
Because not enough people care and not enough get involved Cakes488 Oct 2016 #39
Rally for NO KILL October 8th NYC Columbus Circle/Central Park 1-5 Cakes488 Oct 2016 #41
I may be vegan retrowire Oct 2016 #44
NO KILL is already happening at municipal shelters across the country. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #50
oh so NO KILL is more about animal shelters? nt retrowire Oct 2016 #54
Yes it's about our companion animals at shelters only...a Total NO KILL nation would be a Cakes488 Oct 2016 #55
Oh well that I can totally get behind! :) nt retrowire Oct 2016 #56
I don't think animals have rights. aikoaiko Oct 2016 #42
Agreed. Iggo Oct 2016 #43
youre right. but they should have a little more rights. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #46
Rights must be reciprocal Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #63
I guess I'm using the terminology interchangeably. retrowire Oct 2016 #65
Fair enough Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #73
I bet you are glad you weren't born an animal then..even though humans are animals. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #60
Yes I am. Although if I had been born a non-human animal, I wouldn't know... aikoaiko Oct 2016 #83
So that makes it OK because "they don't know". Well we do know and we should know better! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #87
Make what ok? aikoaiko Oct 2016 #90
Animals don't have legal standing Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #61
Because it's not a point of contention between Republicans and Democrats. Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #66
Thats an interesting angle. true nt retrowire Oct 2016 #67
What election have you been watching? TXCritter Oct 2016 #69
Ive been watching this election and yes. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #70
There is more issues in this at the state level. michaz Oct 2016 #71
I recall that you work in the industry that processes chickens? cwydro Oct 2016 #72
I do not. retrowire Oct 2016 #78
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What is a right? TXCritter Oct 2016 #77
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THIS ad won't cure the problem but it will help! napi21 Oct 2016 #76
Thank you for posting that ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #91
we barely have Human Rights as an issue 0rganism Oct 2016 #82
I hope my comments will be seen as useful. The short answer: Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #84
Wouldn't it be local politics treestar Oct 2016 #86
Animal Rights, melm00se Oct 2016 #93
Because the vast majority of people still have major cognitive dissonance on this issue. athena Oct 2016 #95
It has little to do with Vegan choices. Egnever Oct 2016 #101
It is an observation, not a projection. athena Oct 2016 #104
And again with the projection Egnever Oct 2016 #106
The issue with vegan / vegetarianism MicaelS Oct 2016 #102
oh this vegan knows retrowire Oct 2016 #107
Right. All you have to say is, "Is this dish vegetarian?" athena Oct 2016 #108
oh my god i know the feeling. retrowire Oct 2016 #110
Last time someone made a stupid anti-vegetarian comment to me I threw my arms up... JanMichael Oct 2016 #114
Climate Change is barely an issue. milestogo Oct 2016 #105
Because it would be rude to point out that some poor animal died on Trump's head mythology Oct 2016 #109
Because the Bible says we have dominion over them. robertpaulsen Oct 2016 #113
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