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Sen. Walter Sobchak

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35. welcome to the great big logical fallacy that is the cultural left

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‘I will NOT wear a hijab’: U.S. chess star refuses to attend world championships in Iran [View all] ericson00 Oct 2016 OP

Good for her. apcalc Oct 2016 #1

No sure if it's good lsewpershad Oct 2016 #23

Fuck those religious freaks. She is above having to wear that crap. Nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2016 #24

Yep. Let's be clear, this is religious bullshit, not some "cultural" stricture. stopbush Oct 2016 #26

I'm sure it's good mdbl Oct 2016 #25

Standing up to rigth wing extremism is good Democat Oct 2016 #33

Yea, women should put up and shut up get the red out Oct 2016 #92

How is this not good? GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #117

Damn straight. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #2

Not the same. And no one is forcing anyone to not wear something. randome Oct 2016 #14

The hijab is a symbol of oppression to you, and those that are forced to wear it. Exilednight Oct 2016 #22

Indeed ck4829 Oct 2016 #27

maybe the symbols of oppression are all that makeup she is wearing msongs Oct 2016 #42

What makes you think this is hijab? You do know there is a difference between a headscarf and hijab Squinch Oct 2016 #105

How would you EVER know if someone is being oppressed or not? You can't know. randome Oct 2016 #45

It's not an all or nothing absolute. How do you know that Exilednight Oct 2016 #66

No one knows but the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of that. randome Oct 2016 #72

When the law requires women wear it get the red out Oct 2016 #93

I'm not sure what you're replying to. Exilednight Oct 2016 #95

You are incorrect GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #118

I'm not sure what you're replying to. Exilednight Oct 2016 #135

i feel it is more complicated. Many are wearing it because of direct or indirect pressure patsimp Oct 2016 #48

I agree with that , but we can't kneejerk and go the complete Exilednight Oct 2016 #68

Drug to temple? oberliner Oct 2016 #114

A Jewish church. Some call them Synagogues. Exilednight Oct 2016 #134

Never heard "drug to temple" used to describe a synagogue oberliner Oct 2016 #136

Drug: Exilednight Oct 2016 #137

Aha! oberliner Oct 2016 #138

The Mayor of Cannes runs the film festival? jberryhill Oct 2016 #36

I don't know about his political leanings but i doubt he'd help pass a rule like this w/o support. randome Oct 2016 #44

it's very simple. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #78

I completely agree patsimp Oct 2016 #47

I think people should be allowed to decide for themselves what the fuck to wear, or not. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #73

So white sheets and Nazi armbands are okay with you? randome Oct 2016 #96

Um, yes, because I understand how the 1st Amendment works. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #100

Good points but we're not talking about outlawing everything we don't like. randome Oct 2016 #104

Yes, we can agree. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #106

This. There should be more laws wrt what is allowable to wear. scscholar Oct 2016 #101

Good. I sure as hell wouldn't but Missn-Hitch Oct 2016 #3

Good for her. Islam is anti-woman and we should not accommodate their backwards belief system. scheming daemons Oct 2016 #4

No multiculturalism for you. Rustyeye77 Oct 2016 #107

It isn't about "multiculturalism." It is about fundamentalist religion making women servile emulatorloo Oct 2016 #133

Really? brucefan Oct 2016 #5

Yes really. MicaelS Oct 2016 #7

Well, just phuket... ret5hd Oct 2016 #9

words have different meanings in different languages! AlbertCat Oct 2016 #62

Or, as we say in Germany, "what's in a name?" DFW Oct 2016 #110

Assyrians use that name as well eissa Oct 2016 #19

It's also a man's name in Turkish. athena Oct 2016 #63

Ironically, the origin of the name is Farsi. athena Oct 2016 #69

Fantastic. n/t MicaelS Oct 2016 #6

But wait! The good folks here at DU tell me Muslim women wear hijabs by choice! davidn3600 Oct 2016 #8

Yes, they choose not to be beaten or killed if they don't wear them nt Revanchist Oct 2016 #10

Some have the choice to wear it or face consequences that can be dire depending on the country patsimp Oct 2016 #49

But, but, hijab is classy and mainstream now! Codeine Oct 2016 #11

Everybody's wearing one they're so popular there! Marr Oct 2016 #131

Good for her indeed. cwydro Oct 2016 #12

“do everything I can to help more girls get into chess.” Ohioblue22 Oct 2016 #13

She's teaching girls self-respect, which is more important than chess. nt DLevine Oct 2016 #15

Men in NYC, SF and Scotland feel free to rock whatever bottoms they want .... bettyellen Oct 2016 #58

Exactly! There is no law against men wearing skirts or dresses. athena Oct 2016 #64

Im not even allowed to wear cargo shorts, anymore Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #86

There is no law making you wear pants GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #119

Bikini bottoms ...lol I couldn't do that to my neighbors....eom Ohioblue22 Oct 2016 #125

I hope I am oppressed GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #126

Ridiculous! It's like mandating Iranian women to wear bikini's if they came here !! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #16

Don't give Trump any ideas ... (nt) JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2016 #17

It should be a choice to wear one and it should be a choice to not wear one ck4829 Oct 2016 #18

Good for her eissa Oct 2016 #20

they want women oppressed everywhere Skittles Oct 2016 #31

agreed patsimp Oct 2016 #50

This is interesting given the celebration of the hijab at the Olympics just 2 months ago. MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #21

The issue is not the hijab ... the issue is scheduling a world championship in a place where ... etherealtruth Oct 2016 #28

And that is the real point. LisaM Oct 2016 #38

Exactly!!!! etherealtruth Oct 2016 #39

The same NCAA who hosts bowl games in the anti-LGBT Bahamas every year, including this December? MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #56

I certainly can't argue with that. LisaM Oct 2016 #75

One question though.. LisaM Oct 2016 #87

Fair question. I assume the NCAA has to sanction the game though. MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #91

They should, but.... LisaM Oct 2016 #141

cute, but NOTHING mandatory is empowering. eShirl Oct 2016 #30

welcome to the great big logical fallacy that is the cultural left Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #35

The thing itself doesn't empower OR oppress. It's a scarf, basically. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #77

Good for her, I would never wear one either. CharlotteVale Oct 2016 #29

Standing up to right wing extremism Democat Oct 2016 #32

The core belief of the cultural left is West = Bad Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #37

Bingo. 100 % on the money. MicaelS Oct 2016 #57

yeah, well, some people are fucking idiots. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #74

You nailed it. romanic Oct 2016 #82

Baloney apcalc Oct 2016 #90

I guess you missed the Charlie Hebdo threads. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #108

Missed those threads.... apcalc Oct 2016 #109

apparently you "can't shout fire in a crowded theater", no sir Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #111

Now that you mentioned that GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #121

It even has a name Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #129

We make women cover their breasts, which is every bit as oppressive. cheapdate Oct 2016 #34

which is every bit as oppressive. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #43

If you can't see that the two situations are essentially identical cheapdate Oct 2016 #51

Not quite as identical as you may think. randome Oct 2016 #53

I recognize that. cheapdate Oct 2016 #80

Maybe all decisions about women's bodies should be made by a conclave of women only. randome Oct 2016 #98

If women want to go topless fine. MicaelS Oct 2016 #59

Fine? It's against the law in about 99.9% of the United States. cheapdate Oct 2016 #76

I support changing the law. MicaelS Oct 2016 #81

Whether or not it's "important" to me isn't the point. cheapdate Oct 2016 #83

Disagree. MicaelS Oct 2016 #85

Are women marching to have the freedom to uncover their breasts davidn3600 Oct 2016 #88

I'm no friend of Iranian theocracy. cheapdate Oct 2016 #99

No it isn't . It is completely legal in New York for instance. Now there are 50 states CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #120

The legal landscape in New York cheapdate Oct 2016 #127

If you can't see that the two situations are essentially identical... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #61

Oh, so that's the important difference? cheapdate Oct 2016 #79

Oh brother.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #89

"Oh brother" is right. cheapdate Oct 2016 #94

Stable, monogamous, societies have existed at many times ... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #97

Yeah, you are going to have a really hard time convincing people of that. kcr Oct 2016 #143

Personally I think men who wear tank tops or half shirts in public should be shot. JanMichael Oct 2016 #102

Everyone who isn't me annoys me sometimes. cheapdate Oct 2016 #103

I'll allow flip flops, but if they are also wearing socks; gas chamber. AtheistCrusader Oct 2016 #140

Just another reactionary refusing to promote tolerance & diversity Marengo Oct 2016 #40

if we support the ncaa pulling shit from carolina we need to support her on this dembotoz Oct 2016 #41

Good for her - she is a hero patsimp Oct 2016 #46

Who on Earth names their daughter "Nazi"?! KamaAina Oct 2016 #52

Georgians do. MicaelS Oct 2016 #54

Iranians do, too. athena Oct 2016 #65

Who on earth names their son Božo? DFW Oct 2016 #112

Probably the same people who named a son Stanko whathehell Oct 2016 #128

Who names their sons GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #123

I work with one Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #130

I can't get past someone being named Nazi BainsBane Oct 2016 #55

Well obviously she's happy with it MicaelS Oct 2016 #60

Please let's try to accept that there is more than one language in the world. athena Oct 2016 #67

More than one language in the world BainsBane Oct 2016 #70

OK, more than two languages, then. athena Oct 2016 #71

She is Russian. I think if the Russians can get over it, maybe you should too. CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #122

Are you multilingual? GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #124

I do not blame her Gothmog Oct 2016 #84

When I visited Iran two years ago I had to wear a hijab dhol82 Oct 2016 #113

Good for her ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2016 #115

What were the organizers thinking? Marr Oct 2016 #116

I wouldn't either. Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #132

Good for her. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #139

Nobody should be forced to put on or take off clothing, because some invisible sky daddy Rex Oct 2016 #142