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athena

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100. It is not possible to change someone else's views.

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 11:01 AM

Oct 2016

It is only possible to change one's own views.

The best anyone can do is provide information. If the person to whom the information is given refuses to receive it, there is nothing the other person can do. I hate to break it to you, but no one is going to go vegan based on how a vegan spoke to them about veganism's benefits. Complaining about the vegan's tone is yet another attempt by a meat eater to justify their own cruelty and shift the responsibility for their own actions to someone else.

By the way, adults who choose to eat meat are not toddlers. I won't even go into how condescending it is to suggest otherwise.

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Why arent Animal Rights ever an issue in presidential politics? [View all] retrowire Oct 2016 OP

Because humanity comes first. MicaelS Oct 2016 #1

But ehat about my points in which Animal Rights affect humanity? nt retrowire Oct 2016 #8

Not interested. MicaelS Oct 2016 #62

That's such a callous attitude athena Oct 2016 #94

Because animals don't vote, is my guess. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #2

+1000 Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #7

they don't financially support campaigns gopiscrap Oct 2016 #103

There's just not enough time Renew Deal Oct 2016 #3

Good idea, that would be a curveball retrowire Oct 2016 #9

Hillary: Detailed Answer. Trump: "Animals. We love animals. We love animals that have breasts." Renew Deal Oct 2016 #20

So, Donald loves mammals then. geardaddy Oct 2016 #79

I would consider it progress if women's rights were an issue in presidential politics Orrex Oct 2016 #4

They were bringing up womens right to choose in thr VP debate the other night. retrowire Oct 2016 #10

Yes, and it was big news that women's rights were mentioned at all Orrex Oct 2016 #15

Hey! neither issue is a waste. retrowire Oct 2016 #17

Sorry to break the news to you, then. Orrex Oct 2016 #22

its still not a waste and I resent that comment. retrowire Oct 2016 #24

Well, you seemed more reasonable about it downthread Orrex Oct 2016 #49

you made that point already i get it lol nt retrowire Oct 2016 #52

It's not until animals vote in large numbers...it's until people do ! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #45

It's not that simple Orrex Oct 2016 #53

When pressing this issue, much is accomplished at the local level. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #58

That was a euphemism Orrex Oct 2016 #68

Well here's a nice link you'll like then. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #14

Because most Americans eat them SHRED Oct 2016 #5

My vegan heart understands this as humor. retrowire Oct 2016 #16

Some we call "pets"... SHRED Oct 2016 #34

Have you ever lived in America? CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #6

Lived here all my life. retrowire Oct 2016 #12

One of America's greatest advocates for animals was Teddy Roosevelt... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #80

i dunno. i could work with him. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #81

John Muir, who abhored hunting, did work with TR, even camping together... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #85

au contraire buddy, Do your research. Not a MAJOR issue perhaps, but here's something for you ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #11

Thank you! retrowire Oct 2016 #13

Debates have limited time and they have to hit on the issues voters value most ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #21

The Humane Society has an anti-Trump ad video ! ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #92

That's a great ad! athena Oct 2016 #96

What, exactly, do you want them to say? Orrex Oct 2016 #18

I see what youre saying. retrowire Oct 2016 #19

In a word, yes. Orrex Oct 2016 #23

by the way, if you're an animal rights activist and you want to be effective, ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #25

I am an animal rights advocate retrowire Oct 2016 #27

Book about Vegan diet you might find helpful ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #64

People are responsible for their own actions. athena Oct 2016 #97

So for you it's about responsibility, not about helping the animals? Fair enough. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #98

It is not possible to change someone else's views. athena Oct 2016 #100

Societal priorities. Not saying it's right but it is what it is. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #26

I'm happy with her platform as well. retrowire Oct 2016 #29

I really wish it was discussed more on the stump. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #33

Totally agree! retrowire Oct 2016 #40

We have argued a bit. We have also agreed more. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #47

Aww thats the first time I've felt any friendliness retrowire Oct 2016 #48

If you're talking about PETA... MicaelS Oct 2016 #88

OK. Seems you can only think of one group. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #89

It's called Human Decency. Iggo Oct 2016 #28

facepalm. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #31

rimshot. nt Iggo Oct 2016 #38

What, exactly, is "called Human Decency"? sammythecat Oct 2016 #111

The thing that's referred to in the OP as "Animal Rights." Iggo Oct 2016 #112

Ah! My apologies Iggo. sammythecat Oct 2016 #115

Well, that is a good question because they should be. Beginning with the using of animals in labs EV_Ares Oct 2016 #30

If you abuse animals you will abuse people. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #59

Because Household Pets Don't Vote! BKH70041 Oct 2016 #32

If they did, I suspect they would heavily support the no-forced-sterilization lobby Major Nikon Oct 2016 #57

Donald Trump hates dogs!!! blue cat Oct 2016 #35

Yes! And he wants to eliminate regulations on pet food ingredients. Sicko. femmocrat Oct 2016 #51

Well his kid(s) hunt big cats and such in Africa. There are photos online. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #99

It's a fringe issue at best....that falls way down the list beachbumbob Oct 2016 #36

Huh? Remember this... jberryhill Oct 2016 #37

Because not enough people care and not enough get involved Cakes488 Oct 2016 #39

Rally for NO KILL October 8th NYC Columbus Circle/Central Park 1-5 Cakes488 Oct 2016 #41

I may be vegan retrowire Oct 2016 #44

NO KILL is already happening at municipal shelters across the country. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #50

oh so NO KILL is more about animal shelters? nt retrowire Oct 2016 #54

Yes it's about our companion animals at shelters only...a Total NO KILL nation would be a Cakes488 Oct 2016 #55

Oh well that I can totally get behind! :) nt retrowire Oct 2016 #56

I don't think animals have rights. aikoaiko Oct 2016 #42

Agreed. Iggo Oct 2016 #43

youre right. but they should have a little more rights. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #46

Rights must be reciprocal Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #63

I guess I'm using the terminology interchangeably. retrowire Oct 2016 #65

Fair enough Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #73

I bet you are glad you weren't born an animal then..even though humans are animals. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #60

Yes I am. Although if I had been born a non-human animal, I wouldn't know... aikoaiko Oct 2016 #83

So that makes it OK because "they don't know". Well we do know and we should know better! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #87

Make what ok? aikoaiko Oct 2016 #90

Animals don't have legal standing Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #61

Because it's not a point of contention between Republicans and Democrats. Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #66

Thats an interesting angle. true nt retrowire Oct 2016 #67

What election have you been watching? TXCritter Oct 2016 #69

Ive been watching this election and yes. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #70

There is more issues in this at the state level. michaz Oct 2016 #71

I recall that you work in the industry that processes chickens? cwydro Oct 2016 #72

I do not. retrowire Oct 2016 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #74

What is a right? TXCritter Oct 2016 #77

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THIS ad won't cure the problem but it will help! napi21 Oct 2016 #76

Thank you for posting that ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #91

we barely have Human Rights as an issue 0rganism Oct 2016 #82

I hope my comments will be seen as useful. The short answer: Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #84

Wouldn't it be local politics treestar Oct 2016 #86

Animal Rights, melm00se Oct 2016 #93

Because the vast majority of people still have major cognitive dissonance on this issue. athena Oct 2016 #95

It has little to do with Vegan choices. Egnever Oct 2016 #101

It is an observation, not a projection. athena Oct 2016 #104

And again with the projection Egnever Oct 2016 #106

The issue with vegan / vegetarianism MicaelS Oct 2016 #102

oh this vegan knows retrowire Oct 2016 #107

Right. All you have to say is, "Is this dish vegetarian?" athena Oct 2016 #108

oh my god i know the feeling. retrowire Oct 2016 #110

Last time someone made a stupid anti-vegetarian comment to me I threw my arms up... JanMichael Oct 2016 #114

Climate Change is barely an issue. milestogo Oct 2016 #105

Because it would be rude to point out that some poor animal died on Trump's head mythology Oct 2016 #109

Because the Bible says we have dominion over them. robertpaulsen Oct 2016 #113