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CRF450

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146. I laid out what these dogs can do and you just gloss right over it

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:31 PM

Oct 2016

A woman passed out in a suicide attempt with her lab mauling her face (frantically trying to wake her up? Who knows...) for God only knows how long that took place, vs an outright attack loaded with adrenaline and killing intent that goes on from seconds to many minutes. Apple to oranges comparison. In my case the attack on me was a 30 second ordeal, and the doctors had at one point considered amputating my hand.

Believe what you want, I'm done with this argument. I've experienced and seen things that has shaped my thoughts on this particular breed and many of its crap ass owners.

When the attitude of "it's just like any other dog" continues, those hight human death rates caused by pits will continue to be high. They will continue to be banned in certain neighborhoods and residential living spaces. I'm not advocating an outright ban on them. I want to see more responsible ownership and precautionary measures taken to protect others, and education on what makes these dogs different than others.

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If you believe Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous animals, & you support BSL to ban them [View all] baldguy Oct 2016 OP

Obviously pomeranians are the real problem Major Nikon Oct 2016 #1

Some of the dogs are not even Pit bulls standingtall Oct 2016 #70

They are all pomeranians until proven otherwise Major Nikon Oct 2016 #93

NO DOG BREED that I know of is inherantly viscious. The tempermant depends napi21 Oct 2016 #2

People who understand dogs understand that. baldguy Oct 2016 #3

That is mostly bunk Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #21

Exactly. The ignorance contained in these threads is often overwhelming Major Nikon Oct 2016 #104

Because most of the people here have a thimblefull Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #106

Your attitude towards Pit Bulls standingtall Oct 2016 #113

A well bred pitbull, say as a catch dog for hogs Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #114

If you don't "believe" some dogs are more likely to attack and kill than others ronnie624 Oct 2016 #4

The statistics on Cocker Spaniels killing humans betray your notion Major Nikon Oct 2016 #6

. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #13

lol ronnie624 Oct 2016 #15

Yes there is standingtall Oct 2016 #71

I don't believe it until you provide me DNA samples Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #72

Impossible to provide dna samples to prove any breed of dog exist period standingtall Oct 2016 #75

Psssst. kristopher Oct 2016 #78

Dogs that are not properly trained & solcialized, or are subject to abuse & neglect can be dangerous baldguy Oct 2016 #7

Excellent point, these killer dogs are obviously NOT pit bulls, but have been maligned by the media Major Nikon Oct 2016 #14

I think you're on your way to setting a record... kristopher Oct 2016 #73

Your powers of reasoning are definitely overwhelming and you make an excellent argument here Major Nikon Oct 2016 #94

Wrong.wrong and more wrong Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #92

You do realize that most dogs are not bred & trainded for hunting, right? baldguy Oct 2016 #116

Comparing a pointer on point Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #120

Not acknowledging that hunting is a blood sport is dangerous & naive. baldguy Oct 2016 #124

I have already said prey drive vs fight drive Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #125

God help the people you train companion dogs for. baldguy Oct 2016 #127

In other words..zero Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #130

BSL restrictions aren't based on genetics. baldguy Oct 2016 #131

^ This Kathy M Oct 2016 #19

+ a brazillion milestogo Oct 2016 #45

The issue is not the dog, it's more a problem of a bad owner. JonathanRackham Oct 2016 #5

Exactly. Bad owners and bad breeders. Midnight Writer Oct 2016 #17

The breed is a genetic mess Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #23

Let me throw this out for review. kristopher Oct 2016 #77

Pit Bulls are not a genetic mess standingtall Oct 2016 #101

There is a whole list of triats other than health one must consider Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #103

My breed comment is not nonsense it's a matter of historical record standingtall Oct 2016 #109

Well then, by all means Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #112

I don't support a ban, but.... missingthebigdog Oct 2016 #8

Just like any other rational response to an individual posing a threat to public safety. baldguy Oct 2016 #9

So, nothing we can do proactively? missingthebigdog Oct 2016 #20

So, kill certain dogs based on what they *might* do, and ignore other dogs? baldguy Oct 2016 #29

Where did I say kill dogs? missingthebigdog Oct 2016 #32

I agree! get the red out Oct 2016 #79

People who own a dog that bites Mariana Oct 2016 #64

I agree, but that doesn't address prevention. missingthebigdog Oct 2016 #67

It's hard to take steps against someone Mariana Oct 2016 #80

Well, let's see. . . . missingthebigdog Oct 2016 #81

Comparing dog ownership to driving Mariana Oct 2016 #87

And therein lies the problem Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #110

Ever notice how some anti-gun people use similar arguments to defend pit bulls LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #10

Bullshit. baldguy Oct 2016 #11

+1. Hoyt Oct 2016 #22

Every time a pitbull kills a person, you guys say, "it's not the dog, it's the owner" LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #24

The NRA and their allies advocate policies with exasperate the problem of gun violence. baldguy Oct 2016 #25

Wow; talk about "temperament" LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #30

Pit Bulls do not commit the vast majority of lethal dog attacks. That is a lie. baldguy Oct 2016 #34

You will note that I said "pit bull types", not pit bulls LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #35

"Pit Bull types" = anything with 4 legs and a tail. baldguy Oct 2016 #117

Again, I am neither right wing nor NRA; your accusation is a lie LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #118

I'm just using the same standards the BSLs you support use. baldguy Oct 2016 #121

Nowhere in my comments have I supported breed-specific legislation; you comment is another lie LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #123

You're the one who nonsensically brought guns into a conversation about dogs. baldguy Oct 2016 #126

Nope; I merely pointed out that you use the same arguments as those you oppose LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #128

And now you're denying the thing that you did, that everyone can see that you did. baldguy Oct 2016 #129

except guns can't act on their own. ileus Oct 2016 #31

Indeed; and as long as you take the appropriate care to ensure that neither LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #42

well the dog is a little sketchy... ileus Oct 2016 #49

What is "GSD"? And why is it "sketchy"? nt Doremus Oct 2016 #91

German Shepherd Dog ileus Oct 2016 #122

At least a gun requires a human to kill. A pit bull is a 'gun' with free will. Bonx Oct 2016 #115

I am so tired of this bullshit nadine_mn Oct 2016 #12

But... but... you're making sense! Daemonaquila Oct 2016 #16

Hysteria is pretending the bite of a yorki is equal to the bite of a pit Egnever Oct 2016 #57

Hysteria is pretending one type of dog is responsable for the actions of humans who mistreat dogs. baldguy Oct 2016 #134

Nah hysteria is pretending a firecracker and a pipe bomb are the same thing. Egnever Oct 2016 #137

Right. You're thinking any kind of pipe should be treated like a pipe bomb. baldguy Oct 2016 #138

No I am thinking pipe bombs are not something you take the risk with for a reason Egnever Oct 2016 #139

And still the people that create aggressive dogs have no responsibility in your eyes. baldguy Oct 2016 #140

You keep hanging on to that Egnever Oct 2016 #142

Never had a pit bull duncang Oct 2016 #18

Damn those golden retrievers: Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #26

"Pit Bull" indentified visually - when identifying a breed visually is no better than random chance. baldguy Oct 2016 #27

Anyone can edit Wikipedia.... maybe you should go fix those "mistakes"? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #37

Says someone who has no clue about how Wikipedia works. baldguy Oct 2016 #39

Excellent point, they were obviously pomeranians Major Nikon Oct 2016 #95

Actually, the most vicious dog I ever knew.... SouthernLiberal Oct 2016 #106

Why one of those ugly things, when you can get a GSD. ileus Oct 2016 #28

Because a dog's physical appearence is the least important part. baldguy Oct 2016 #38

There are plenty of ugly GSD out there. Mariana Oct 2016 #145

I appreciate your efforts. Coventina Oct 2016 #33

I say bullshit to the love the these killers Jim Beard Oct 2016 #36

So, you want to kill MY dog b/c the owner of some random dog in your neighborhood is a callous jerk? baldguy Oct 2016 #41

If it solves the problem Jim Beard Oct 2016 #59

Only if your dog bites someone.. MicaelS Oct 2016 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2016 #69

Wow. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #40

The entire intent & rationale for BSLs is to reduce dog bites. They don't do that. baldguy Oct 2016 #44

No. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #54

Careful now! Separation Oct 2016 #133

Some towns in USA ban pit bulls womanofthehills Oct 2016 #43

Dogsbite.org is a hate site full of false anti-Pit Bull propaganda. baldguy Oct 2016 #46

I guess I have little sympathy because I was recently almost attacked by two neighborhood pits womanofthehills Oct 2016 #53

They may repeal the 1989 pit bull ban in Miami TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #47

If you had been bitten by one of these man killers instead, you would not be posting today Jim Beard Oct 2016 #61

The important thing is that... LanternWaste Oct 2016 #48

The difference is that the anti-BSL side has actual science on their side. baldguy Oct 2016 #50

The "actual science" says certain breeds are more likely to kill, contrary to your propaganda Major Nikon Oct 2016 #97

Banning dogs by breed or size is BULLSHIT... Cakes488 Oct 2016 #51

I always find this debate interesting meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #52

There is an easy legislative solution. Daemonaquila Oct 2016 #58

I would assume that takes funding on a state or local level? meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #66

My late Shari was a Aussie Cattle Dog/Aussie Shepherd/Yellow Lab mix haele Oct 2016 #55

Good grief! Some of these responses make this thread sound like Free Republic. hamsterjill Oct 2016 #56

Thanks for posting and keep it up discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #60

Pit Bulls are the most dangerous & violent breeds on the planet. GOLGO 13 Oct 2016 #62

I am with you 100% - and their apologists are doing a disservice to so many who pay the price DrDan Oct 2016 #99

I know of people who can and do train these best Jim Beard Oct 2016 #63

Large dog breeds are aggressive, to blame just one breed is stupid. Rex Oct 2016 #68

I lulz'd KG Oct 2016 #74

Pitbulls are not a good pet for children, and can be aggressive. Oneironaut Oct 2016 #76

There is some truth to your post standingtall Oct 2016 #83

All owners say "He won't bite' (me), They forget to say me. Jim Beard Oct 2016 #88

Your generalization is not true standingtall Oct 2016 #96

Your generalization is not true Major Nikon Oct 2016 #100

A bite of an exaggeration on your part standingtall Oct 2016 #105

Kinda funny how you use obvious strawman to claim exaggeration on my part Major Nikon Oct 2016 #108

My comment about the ripping off of standingtall Oct 2016 #111

Before the bullshit Doreen Oct 2016 #82

How are they when someone else's child makes the other child cry. Jim Beard Oct 2016 #89

that nanny-dog story has been debunked - it's a myth DrDan Oct 2016 #98

I used to volunteer at the dog shelter citood Oct 2016 #84

So if someone doesn't properly train their pit Blue_Tires Oct 2016 #85

I know it's not a pit bull attack Separation Oct 2016 #86

Cool video. Good kitty! jack_krass Oct 2016 #136

What about Weiner Dogs??? madinmaryland Oct 2016 #90

Fatal dog bites, 2016 TonyPDX Oct 2016 #102

The Academic Impostor Behind the Pit Bull Hysteria baldguy Oct 2016 #119

LOL. She even has a link to dog bite attorneys. Rex Oct 2016 #143

I was brutally attacked by one these dogs for no reason 15 years ago CRF450 Oct 2016 #132

So, you put all the blame on the dog. baldguy Oct 2016 #135

Yes I'm blaming the breed, I make no bones about that CRF450 Oct 2016 #141

A large lab can't inflict the same kind damage? Tell that to Isabelle Dinoire. baldguy Oct 2016 #144

I laid out what these dogs can do and you just gloss right over it CRF450 Oct 2016 #146

You laid out what ***ANY*** dog can do, and does. You just deny the facts. baldguy Oct 2016 #147