This election is a binary event. Calling for Obama's defeat *IS* advocating for Romney's victory.

[jeff47]

22. You move the party in the primaries

Sorry, but your argument is crappy wishful thinking.

Let's look at recent history: What happened after 2000? With a heartbreaking loss and the disaster after, did Democrats decide to embrace the left?

I believe the answer is best described as "FUCK NO". The party went even very much to the right.

How 'bout 2010: A big pile of liberals were disappointed that they didn't get utopia after voting for Obama, so they stayed home. Thus dragging the country to the right and getting even less of what they want.

So, you could ignore recent history and live in a fantasy world where the Democratic party would turn left after an Obama defeat, or you could do exactly what the Republicans did to drag their party right: Win primary elections.

You want the party to go left? Get liberals out of the house on primary day, when liberal turnout is embarrassingly abysmal.

Nobody else will drag the party left for you. You are going to have to do a metric fuckload of effort. And complaining on a message board isn't going to do a damn thing.

("You" in this post means "liberals who decide to not vote for Obama in November because they're unhappy with how far to the right he is". I have no idea what FBaggins has done or is going to do.)