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HiPointDem

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32. I think there are three problems.

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:05 AM

Jun 2012

First is that certain messages are off limits because the funders of the party don't like them.

Second is that even when milder versions are promulgated, they can't be followed through on because the funders of the party wouldn't like it. Thus voters get understandably cynical.

Third, so far as anti-republican messages go: the places where democrats should be hitting them are dangerous, because democrats are implicated in some of the same things. Thus the wedge issue strategy to create difference between the two parties.

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What's clear is that Democratic Party messaging is woefully inadequate [View all] MrScorpio Jun 2012 OP

You've hit the nail on the head. THAT is the biggest problem with the Dems these Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #1

Only thing that can beat money is a well defined populist platform newthinking Jun 2012 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Jun 2012 #23

democrats have a message? nt msongs Jun 2012 #2

We define issues in 16/32nds... kentuck Jun 2012 #3

I agree, Democrats have failed miserably in framing and conveying their message, elleng Jun 2012 #4

It would help if they had a message. One, that consisted of more than "Not as bad". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #5

I admire you, Mr. Scorpio! senseandsensibility Jun 2012 #6

we are going to take a pounding KT2000 Jun 2012 #7

Republicans Use Corporate Marketing Ideas DallasNE Jun 2012 #30

I am so glad you posted this... nenagh Jun 2012 #8

YES YES YES a thousand times YES laundry_queen Jun 2012 #28

Well put. I dislike the whole idea of a 'negative ad' as opposed to a 'positive ad.' For me, there coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #33

Yes, continue the Bain ads and go right after the Republican EXTREMISM. Attack the Republican BRAND. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #36

And they are woefully under funded compared to the idiot on the right! There is no way in teddy51 Jun 2012 #9

No, it is not that doom and gloom at all. He will win, but it will be a fight. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #37

The biggest problem is that Republicans own 95% of the media, snot Jun 2012 #10

BINGO. This is the problem. BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #14

Yes, so that tells me that the first thing Democrats need to do is STOP BLAMING OBAMA!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #54

BINGO. That was my first thought - 6 large corprats ProfessionalLeftist Jun 2012 #18

The Right Wing literally has two dedicated channels in Fox and CNBC. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #47

if a treefalls in the forest and the media won't report it rurallib Jun 2012 #49

Too many of the people supposedly on our side have sold out. Maybe the message we'd brewens Jun 2012 #11

My analysis is... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #12

I think money needs to come out first so that politicians can jp11 Jun 2012 #13

I've said it before on this forum. It was rejected. But I heard Howard Dean say it to Elliot Spitzer Gregorian Jun 2012 #15

It's not just a matter of sound-bites, though you're right as far as that goes; snot Jun 2012 #17

Exactly. Gregorian Jun 2012 #20

How about six words? eridani Jun 2012 #38

Arrrgh! We're gonna lose! All is forlorn! longship Jun 2012 #16

Kelly's Heroes MrScorpio Jun 2012 #25

A great, totally anachronistic, flick longship Jun 2012 #26

So you think discussing it is wrong? WTF? Logical Jun 2012 #46

And I will say it again DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #19

Maybe, and hire Howard Dean and George Lakoff. elleng Jun 2012 #21

Yes Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #77

YES and YES!!! calimary Jun 2012 #80

As I recall, Lakoff spoke at a conference or was hired by Dems for a while elleng Jun 2012 #81

RE-ELECT OBAMA! pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #22

3 Most important things. NUMBERS, NUMBERS, NUMBERS! ErikJ Jun 2012 #27

Your neighbors don't give a shit about laundry lists of facts. eridani Jun 2012 #41

the first step is we need to stop the bad messaging hfojvt Jun 2012 #29

Questions: MrScorpio Jun 2012 #34

the point is about voters, not about elected officials hfojvt Jun 2012 #58

My point has always been about elected officials MrScorpio Jun 2012 #63

he's not obscure to me hfojvt Jun 2012 #74

I think you;re trolling. You reject attacking the horrid right wing then you say you don't trust our RBInMaine Jun 2012 #39

Spam deleted by tjwmason (MIR Team) Stephanie69 Jun 2012 #31

I think there are three problems. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #32

This shit about the 2 parties are just the same is total crap. So enough of that. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #40

That's not what he said, and ignoring the matter just feeds the meme JHB Jun 2012 #44

Ouch, but oh so true. Said well. Lionessa Jun 2012 #43

You're totally on point. nt Raine Jun 2012 #35

There's a simple difference in the Parties. kentuck Jun 2012 #42

It has competing messages. mmonk Jun 2012 #45

Too bad middle America's not down with this slogan: HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #48

Democrats are missing the boat on public transportation. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #50

How's this for a message: JHB Jun 2012 #51

The Privileged Few Peaceful Protester Jun 2012 #52

The Democrats should have rejected the notion of austerity from the beginning. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #53

It's INTENTIONALLY inadequate, via the DLC Third-Wayers. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #55

Here's a message: ***Pass the AMERICAN JOBS ACT*** Martin Eden Jun 2012 #56

Something to think about... Peaceful Protester Jun 2012 #57

The party needs better leadership experienced in traditional and new media ... Auggie Jun 2012 #59

The use of different words may not help treestar Jun 2012 #60

Democratic strategist Bob Shrum said Peaceful Protester Jun 2012 #61

Income Inequality Peaceful Protester Jun 2012 #62

No, Axelrod, Obama and Clinton are doing just what they need to do. The battle is uphill because McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #64

Beg to differ....Repukes CAN NOT STAND Axelrod. He's just too obviously political - and Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #78

Message one: the GOP wants to chainsaw massacre Medicare. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #65

Message two: Obama wants to save Medicare. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #66

Message three: the GOP wants to make your daughter give birth out of wedlock. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #67

Message four: Obama understands and cares about women. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #68

Message five: the Democrats welcome hard working latino immigrants to the country McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #69

Message six (some of you won't like it), Democrats are the party that ACTS like true Christians. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #70

Message seven: The GOP will send your son and daughter to fight in Iran. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #71

That's because the corporate media One of the 99 Jun 2012 #72

From another post in GD - flamingdem Jun 2012 #73

Democrats talk logic. Republicans talk emotions. Emotions win everytime. Kablooie Jun 2012 #75

put Dean back in charge of the party #1. He's brilliant, quick, and savvy. Saw Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #76

I'm aware that ... sendero Jun 2012 #79

Policies: Republican vs. Democrat Peaceful Protester Jun 2012 #82