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onenote

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23. In a complex case like this, things can and do change
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 06:34 AM
Jun 2012

A vote to affirm or reverse the lower court is a blunt instrument. Once the opinion is written and the various issues are parsed, you begin to get shifts within the structure of the decision. This is such a case -- one in which it is likely that there will be concurrences that join in some segments of the opinion and not in other. Those sort of line drawing aspects of the decision are generally not known after the "bottom line" vote.

It is that process that Justice Ginsburg undoubtedly was referring to. No one knows what the initial vote was -- to affirm, to reverse, to affirm in part and reverse in part? And the details of the positions and final outcome on various aspects of a complex case like this probably have evolved through the opinion writing process.

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I'd lay a $10,000 bet magical thyme Jun 2012 #1
I'll take that bet! (Hopefully she said "their".) 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #3
She probably said "they're" in the subject and "their" in the text Orangepeel Jun 2012 #4
The justice was probably speaking malthaussen Jun 2012 #7
The OP context should have had "they're" The Second Stone Jun 2012 #10
sorry, but there isn't any 'their' there, nor is there a 'there' there. magical thyme Jun 2012 #13
As an ESOL tutor, may I suggest that people simply break down CTyankee Jun 2012 #14
Did you read the entire post? There are TWO "theirs" there (or should be). 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #15
I read the title and my brain went... magical thyme Jun 2012 #16
Hell, I missed the one in the thread title! I say we both keep our badges and books! 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #17
Deal! magical thyme Jun 2012 #20
The broccoli argument works both ways quaker bill Jun 2012 #19
When Ginsberg mentioned "broccoli" she was probably refering to a comment Scalia made. former9thward Jun 2012 #21
Who knows what SHE is making reference to? I'm guessing they strike down the mandate... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #22
I wouldn't call them idiots. At leat not most of them. I am not convinced about Alito or Thomas. morningfog Jun 2012 #2
That's why it's called guessing. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #5
She is one of the brighter minds on the court. Zax2me Jun 2012 #6
Would you mind telling us where you "heard they already made their decision ..."? 1-Old-Man Jun 2012 #8
Grammar Nazi here: your OP title should read 'what they're talking about' (contraction coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #9
You heard they already made their decision? onenote Jun 2012 #11
As you point out, the initial vote is taken the same week of oral argument. BzaDem Jun 2012 #12
In a complex case like this, things can and do change onenote Jun 2012 #23
Well, I suppose that is in response to Nancy Pelosi who guessed this last week that... WI_DEM Jun 2012 #18
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