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74. Language is NOT absolute, no matter how hard YOU try to make it. Accepting the whole PC

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:58 AM

Jun 2012

construct is accepting THEIR yoke, limiting YOUR freedom. That's okay, we all do it in one way or another, but some of us aren't trying to sell that limitation to others as some form of absolute empowerment, so we're willing to admit it up front. Others are more immersed in zero-sum power struggles, so they don't admit it and thus perpetuate the very oppression that they claim to be resisting, because, while some do buy into their rhetoric/agenda, others don't, they buy into "the opposite" rhetoric/agenda and then that's ALL that ever happens (e.g. Pro-Life : Pro-Choice, which will NEVER achieve a solution to anything. Will always and only perpetuate themselves over the actual experiences of the people they purport to "care" about).

BTW, What do you think of Noam Chomsky? George Lakoff?

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Has PC gone too far? [View all] revolution breeze Jun 2012 OP

No, I don't think you're over-thinking this at all. It is hurtful and RKP5637 Jun 2012 #1

My uncle's solution to his son being gay revolution breeze Jun 2012 #4

I thought we had too, but parts of this country are really really RKP5637 Jun 2012 #60

I can see that. bluedigger Jun 2012 #2

But they have figured it out revolution breeze Jun 2012 #8

I see I missed some nuance, myself. bluedigger Jun 2012 #20

I don't think it is confusion. The source of the "g-word" phrase is the bigot herself. yardwork Jun 2012 #24

Well, that isn't known. bluedigger Jun 2012 #30

I should have made this clearer revolution breeze Jun 2012 #33

That is unbelievable. Literally. yardwork Jun 2012 #34

I 100% agree, Yardie obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #38

This is incredible. yardwork Jun 2012 #44

And we know why that is, don't we? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #50

Delighted? revolution breeze Jun 2012 #55

You apologize that I took offense. yardwork Jun 2012 #136

The OP was describing the attitude of another parent LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #86

Yardwork knows that obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #98

But it's "PC gone too far." yardwork Jun 2012 #124

I apologize if you are offended, seriously revolution breeze Jun 2012 #54

the sorry if you are offended apology is nonsense fizzgig Jun 2012 #59

The OP was posted in haste revolution breeze Jun 2012 #75

be that as it may fizzgig Jun 2012 #83

This thread is incredibly hurtful GObamaGO Jun 2012 #90

Would you please scan something from the school saying this? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #43

I find it 100% believable joeglow3 Jun 2012 #56

We will have to respectfully agree to disagree on that obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #69

All I have is what the counselor told me on the phone this morning. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #58

Then you should call the Prinicpal, now obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #68

I left a message on her answering service. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #79

Your kids are still in school? OKNancy Jun 2012 #194

Kids out in May. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #198

I think the OP needs this: GObamaGO Jun 2012 #199

... yardwork Jun 2012 #200

Nothing runs like a Deere! GObamaGO Jun 2012 #208

It's the mentality of some people to me. If there were no gays, no blacks, RKP5637 Jun 2012 #66

Many kids use gay as an adjective, meaning bad or stupid Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #3

But we all know Alice's mother is gay revolution breeze Jun 2012 #9

The answer to your question ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #40

Yes. The same word(s) have different meanings in different contexts. To try to say that doesn't patrice Jun 2012 #5

I love your reply! revolution breeze Jun 2012 #11

Maybe you need to tell you daughter she can't play at Susy's because her mother is the b(igot) word. EFerrari Jun 2012 #15

We actually had this discussion several weeks ago revolution breeze Jun 2012 #21

How does this solve the problem? Isn't it just putting lipstick on a pig? Pretending that it's ALL patrice Jun 2012 #32

I have no idea what you're talking about. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #37

It's bad for people to not be "allowed" to talk with one another honestly. That badness/evil is patrice Jun 2012 #57

You seem very interested in that topic. However, it isn't the one I'm addressing EFerrari Jun 2012 #62

Language is NOT absolute, no matter how hard YOU try to make it. Accepting the whole PC patrice Jun 2012 #74

Again, since I'm not arguing that position, I have no idea what you are talking about. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #85

So, the word "gay", or "black", or "boy" CAN be used appropriately without being a bigot or racist? patrice Jun 2012 #88

So, how should we determine what is appropriate and what is not? Does avoiding the use of thosewords patrice Jun 2012 #89

patrice, would you please read this thread and see that I never said they can't be? Thanks. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #110

I will. patrice Jun 2012 #211

I think that's a good idea. I hadn't seen your response when I posted this suggestion downthread. yardwork Jun 2012 #18

"Subvert the dominant paradigm" -- EFerrari Jun 2012 #153

Speaking for yourself is one of the "absolutely" most powerful things you can do. It ranks right up patrice Jun 2012 #23

Louis C.K. has a bit on this, with regard to the word "jew" jpljr77 Jun 2012 #203

It would have been a perfect opportunity to sufrommich Jun 2012 #6

My daughter knows the meaning revolution breeze Jun 2012 #10

The OP isn;t saying that obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #46

Now you've got it! revolution breeze Jun 2012 #95

I've "had" it obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #100

The term "g-word" was an easy out revolution breeze Jun 2012 #112

Adjectives go through a progression from in-group to accepted to deprecated to prohibited. FarCenter Jun 2012 #7

You're worried about something being "too PC" when your neighbor is a bigot? yardwork Jun 2012 #12

Beat me to it... TreasonousBastard Jun 2012 #14

I agree. I'm not seeing the PC problem here. nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #16

I am worried about PC because they are taught at school to say g-word revolution breeze Jun 2012 #26

They weren't taught that at school - Suzy's mom told them to use that phrase. yardwork Jun 2012 #31

Nope revolution breeze Jun 2012 #61

Wow, you must live in Alabama or something obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #72

Louisiana revolution breeze Jun 2012 #81

Christ Killers? Really??? GObamaGO Jun 2012 #94

Maybe it should be obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #96

That would probably be best GObamaGO Jun 2012 #104

I am trying to give a picture. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #99

You can give the picture without typing out every racial and religious slur possible. GObamaGO Jun 2012 #103

What racial slur? revolution breeze Jun 2012 #105

n-word for one GObamaGO Jun 2012 #107

The OP ws about the use of the phrase "g-word". revolution breeze Jun 2012 #115

You could have used the words "homophobic slur" and communicated your idea in a far less hurtful way GObamaGO Jun 2012 #116

Again, I apologize revolution breeze Jun 2012 #128

So why is your OP a concern that this is all due to PC gone too far? yardwork Jun 2012 #129

Susy's real name is Savannah, Mary is really Molly revolution breeze Jun 2012 #137

"Susy Barnes," Yardie obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #139

That's it. This is a real life Chick tract. Who knew? yardwork Jun 2012 #140

HOLY CRAP GObamaGO Jun 2012 #141

All under the heading "Has PC gone too far?" yardwork Jun 2012 #133

Things that make me go "HMMM" GObamaGO Jun 2012 #138

+1.000,000 ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #45

Wasn't the edit interesting, Yardie? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #47

I live in the South revolution breeze Jun 2012 #49

Please post the written documentation for this "gword" thing obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #52

Terminology is not the issue here and has nothing to do with the right-wing bugaboo "PC." Brickbat Jun 2012 #13

Wingnuts use "PC" to describe common courtesy and consideration. EFerrari Jun 2012 #17

Is it possible for anti-PC to be PC? Not everyone who wants to talk about words is a wingnut. Why patrice Jun 2012 #25

It may be but that is your assumption, not mine. EFerrari Jun 2012 #28

Talking about your bias, admitting that it IS bias (which is practically unavoidable, btw) IS consid patrice Jun 2012 #48

I don't understand why you are having this discussion with me EFerrari Jun 2012 #64

Just clarifying. Is that not permitted here? One could ask why that's a problem for you, since you patrice Jun 2012 #78

It sounds like the kids were told not to say "that's so gay" etc and misunderstood. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #19

The one using the bizarre "g-word" is a bigot who won't let her daughter in the house of a lesbian. yardwork Jun 2012 #22

The OP is now saying the school counselor told the kids to say that obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #53

Just talked to Suzy's mom revolution breeze Jun 2012 #71

This is getting even more interesting obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #73

Do you need a transcript of the call? revolution breeze Jun 2012 #87

Help me understand why you think the problem here is "PC gone too far." yardwork Jun 2012 #132

I guess I should have said "Is it now wrong to call revolution breeze Jun 2012 #148

Gotcha. It's all my fault for taking offense. yardwork Jun 2012 #151

"cat fight" obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #156

Sexism was the missing component. Check. yardwork Jun 2012 #159

How is cat fight sexism? revolution breeze Jun 2012 #161

Catfight is used as a pejorative GObamaGO Jun 2012 #168

I have always used it to mean either sex. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #175

Be that as it may GObamaGO Jun 2012 #187

I don't understand why you are being snarky obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #142

Now don't go all PC on us, obamanut. It's the source of all the world's problems, after all./sarcasm yardwork Jun 2012 #146

Not being snarky revolution breeze Jun 2012 #147

You really haven't been clear on some points which is why I am asking obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #158

I think I misread it. That'll teach me to post before coffee. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #125

I want to say that this OP has really offended me, as have the five recs for this thread. yardwork Jun 2012 #27

Sorry, I was on the phone (working) revolution breeze Jun 2012 #39

So thoughtful of you to post this kind of hatred and bigotry and then be too busy to respond. yardwork Jun 2012 #42

I have responded to you. n/t revolution breeze Jun 2012 #82

At age 12, kids are in middle school. If you heard the way the word "gay" is used in middle 1monster Jun 2012 #29

A couple of years ago I was tutoring a South Korean small businessman in English and CTyankee Jun 2012 #35

"PC" is conservative framing obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #36

Brown pants,brown jacket and blue shirt. Yes he has. Swede Jun 2012 #41

Well, that situation is better than MI and the "vagina" thing. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #51

Thank you. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #65

I'm in PA now - we've got Corbett. Talk about backward. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #154

I have a gay friend who loves to blow kisses at people who call him faggot. He's proud and I patrice Jun 2012 #63

A teacher friend told me that what her kids don't like, they call "gay and retarded." snot Jun 2012 #67

you are so gay. 12 yrs old, middle school. i can see the school making this rule. i would also seabeyond Jun 2012 #70

You think gay people should be called "the gword"??? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #77

i am not sure what you are getting at. maybe you are right and i would not agree to whatever i have seabeyond Jun 2012 #80

Here is the context. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #84

ok, that whole story breaks my heart. seabeyond Jun 2012 #91

There is a paradoxical "sanitizing" effect on the language when children are taught discrimination.. JVS Jun 2012 #76

Your neighbor is a raging bigot, but we're supoosed to be worried about whether PC has gone too far. redqueen Jun 2012 #92

I know my neighbor is a bigot revolution breeze Jun 2012 #93

Your Black mother is also Jewish? GObamaGO Jun 2012 #144

Yes she is. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #152

Why is it not ok to go inside the house? n/t Jamastiene Jun 2012 #97

Because Suzy's mother is a loon. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #101

Now you are attacking waterfowl GObamaGO Jun 2012 #119

an idiot? n/t revolution breeze Jun 2012 #123

A loon. Jamastiene Jun 2012 #174

I know. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #177

Bigot or homophobe sounds about right. n/t Jamastiene Jun 2012 #202

The kids might catch Teh Gay Agenda? Quantess Jun 2012 #102

It is true revolution breeze Jun 2012 #106

This has nothing to do with "PC" Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #108

^^^^THIS!!! GObamaGO Jun 2012 #109

I am curious if the counselor advocates calling bisexuals obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #117

I do not know revolution breeze Jun 2012 #126

I sure don't think a bigot is more "suited for a classroom" obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #130

She was not forced to make decision in the classroom. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #134

Contact info for Louisiana school districts obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #111

Linking this thread would be a nice touch! GObamaGO Jun 2012 #114

Thanks!!!!!!! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #118

Me neither GObamaGO Jun 2012 #122

Go right ahead. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #120

Err... why should you feel intimadted by me when I'm helping you? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #127

She won't be disciplined. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #131

Apparently not in this case. yardwork Jun 2012 #135

I beleive there is hope for Susy revolution breeze Jun 2012 #143

Bigotry is definitely also taught at school! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #149

She is a member of the teachers union. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #157

Well, you can't be a school counselor unless you are a school counselor obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #166

Our school librarian is not licensed. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #173

Then they aren't librarians obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #184

Wrong revolution breeze Jun 2012 #192

Telling children to call LGBT people "gword" is bigoted. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #155

Political correctness always goes too far... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #113

Interesting obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #121

PC gone too far? Why, I declare! Not at all! Pat Buchanan Defends Rush Zorra Jun 2012 #145

Now I know this post has gone awry revolution breeze Jun 2012 #150

The Considerate Thing To Do Would Be To Delete Your OP HangOnKids Jun 2012 #160

I have a feeling that it's gone exactly the way the OP hoped. big "catfight." yardwork Jun 2012 #162

Now that we have had this discussion, revolution breeze Jun 2012 #163

No, we turn to the next Chick Tract. Is the next issue about Paganism? yardwork Jun 2012 #165

My very all time favorite! Zorra Jun 2012 #170

The D & D one is a personal favorite of mine obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #171

That would certainly make life interesting! revolution breeze Jun 2012 #179

I don't know what "we" do here because I speak for myself HangOnKids Jun 2012 #167

What are we discussing? Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #172

You asked a direct question in your subject line: "Has PC gone too far?" Zorra Jun 2012 #164

Oh my thread is not going the way I want it to go.... GObamaGO Jun 2012 #178

Exactly! n/t HangOnKids Jun 2012 #182

I have no intention of deleting this post. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #183

I never asked you to delete this post GObamaGO Jun 2012 #185

HangOnKids said it would be the considerate thing to do n/t revolution breeze Jun 2012 #188

And it would be HangOnKids Jun 2012 #190

Then why did you not reply to HangOnKids' post? GObamaGO Jun 2012 #193

It get's confusing revolution breeze Jun 2012 #197

You have "not intention" what is that? HangOnKids Jun 2012 #189

Better now? revolution breeze Jun 2012 #195

Better than what? Yesterday? Tomorrow? Ezra? HangOnKids Jun 2012 #201

How junior high. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #204

Gee Thanks! HangOnKids Jun 2012 #206

I don't think that respect, tolerance and civility could ever go too far... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #169

Amen HangOnKids Jun 2012 #181

Not surprising. We were told we weren't allowed to use the word gay at my elementary. This was a Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #176

gee, I think the bigotry of your neighbor is a bigger problem than political correctness fishwax Jun 2012 #180

My neighbor is free to be what she chooses. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #186

You haz SAD HangOnKids Jun 2012 #191

And that's fine but it really doesn't handle your identifying the problem as EFerrari Jun 2012 #196

I, too, think the problem is bigotry and not political correctness. Jamastiene Jun 2012 #205

Agreed GObamaGO Jun 2012 #207

Why won't you tell us what school this is, if your daughter isn't going to be going there next year? Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #209

I try to maintain as much internet anonymity as possible. revolution breeze Jun 2012 #210

I'm glad you are leaving this open. bluedigger Jun 2012 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author bluedigger Jun 2012 #213

While calling it the g-word is silly, the real problem here is not what words are used... LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #214