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paulkienitz

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15. ethanol is a surprising outcome
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 04:41 PM
Oct 2016

As near as I can guess how it might work, it could turn two carbon dioxides into two carbon monoxides plus an oxygen molecule, and if you stick those COs together and decorate with hydrogen (thereby producing more oxygen, if you get the hydrogen from water)... well, it's not ethanol, it's ethylene glycol -- antifreeze. There must be something about the process that favors an asymmetrical alcohol molecule over the glycol -- something that involves losing yet more oxygen. Even if there's a bias, though, it's hard to see how it couldn't be producing a significant fraction of either ethylene glycol, ethane, or both, as producing ethanol involves splitting the difference between those.

They are downplaying the electric part of the process by noting that it only takes 1.2 volts... but if you want to produce in quantity, I bet the current has to be huge. You have to put in at least the energy you'd get by burning the fuel, so that's a lot of electricity. Given that it uses low voltage DC the ideal power supply would probably be solar panels. The yield per acre would not be anything terrific.

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Kick for later. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2016 #1
Please, let this not be another cold fusion bust... haele Oct 2016 #2
Find a way to turn it into a nice single malt Scotch and you'll really get my attention. Glassunion Oct 2016 #3
Of COURSE they discovered this in TENNESSEE murpheeslaw Oct 2016 #4
Thread win! KamaAina Oct 2016 #13
Sounds promising! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #5
Nothing is win-win The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #6
Please, please let this be real! silverweb Oct 2016 #7
popular mechanics mag....uh oh dembotoz Oct 2016 #8
Read 'em and ____ Duppers Oct 2016 #12
2nd sentence of the OP .. "Their findings were published in the journal ChemistrySelect" KelleyKramer Oct 2016 #23
Limitless energy bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #9
Ok.. CO2 to Ethanol to CO2 at "little energy cost" ??????????? Mustellus Oct 2016 #10
Hard to know what "little" means from the article, other than... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #11
i doubt this is real. patsimp Oct 2016 #14
It's real. It's front page right now on Oak Ridge's own government web site. 4lbs Oct 2016 #16
ethanol is a surprising outcome paulkienitz Oct 2016 #15
Yes, but how do you readily extract CO2 from the oceans or atmosphere? ffr Oct 2016 #17
You capture it at the source KamaAina Oct 2016 #21
Which requires scrubbers and pressurization systems NickB79 Oct 2016 #22
Thanks for clarifying that... Ruth Bonner Oct 2016 #24
If only there wasn't such a shortage of CO2... keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #18
I wonder: will it work at, oh, 200 degrees F? jmowreader Oct 2016 #19
The heck with fuel. This will make vodka from club soda. MineralMan Oct 2016 #20
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