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Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:33 PM

Jun 2012

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I think we need to talk about the hatred of women. [View all]

It has escalated in our society to the point where it is becoming truly toxic, and not just among the right-wingers, either.

Poster you responded to: I think it hasn't escalated, but that's just me. Maybe it's because I was alive back in the

Mad Men days, when ass-patting and "tootsie/sweetie/broad" were said without apology, "Women can only be secretaries, teachers, switchboard operators or nurses" was universally accepted, and "Once you get married, get into the kitchen and out of the workforce," was the EXPECTATION and anyone violating that expectation had best have been suddenly widowed or had her husband crippled in some cruel and unanticipated way.

That's not to say everything is rosy--we have a long way to go as a nation with a LOT of prejudices.

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Both of which deal with the notion that it is worse now than it was in the past (one to assert that and one to refute it).

How then is referencing how it was in the past somehow "not to the point" or a diversion?

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I think we need to talk about the hatred of women. [View all] LiberalLoner Jun 2012 OP

To be truthful, Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #1

Some women are hypersensitive EFerrari Jun 2012 #7

I missed something here Taverner Jun 2012 #11

It's old now and trust me, you didn't miss anything EFerrari Jun 2012 #13

I completely disagree with Eferrari. It is a real issue and pretending that it's just Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #38

Except you are disagreeing with something I didn't say. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #41

So, I misinterpreted "you didn't miss anything that deserved your attention."? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #50

I think so. I was referring to the mind-numbingly stupid bullying, EFerrari Jun 2012 #51

OK, now I'm really confused. Bullying of unkachunk? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #55

This must be my inarticulate Friday. EFerrari Jun 2012 #56

NP at all. I don't spend nearly enough time reading here to know most of what's going on. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #57

LOL. EFerrari Jun 2012 #60

Oh no doubt. My GF has been here since 2004 I think. She turned me on to it then and I Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #64

It's me you're disagreeing with, Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #65

Oh yeah, we had a crossed connection between my eyes and her fingers. complicated by my DUbie Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #67

And, of course, you're absolutely correct. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #17

This will likely get locked but, I'm glad you weighed in. EFerrari Jun 2012 #18

I am not a survivor of trauma. DURHAM D Jun 2012 #43

No, it isn't. It's honest and as a survivor myself, I approve that message. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #53

EFerrari, I like you, but it's not our job to tell others they are too sensitive Recursion Jun 2012 #46

Right, and I'm not advocating for telling anyone they are too sensitive. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #52

I don't think that E thinks that there is anything wrong with being hyersensitve Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #59

Right. I was describing, not proscribing. EFerrari Jun 2012 #61

It has claimed many lives this hatred. twitter1 Jun 2012 #2

Please don't cheapen this discussion EFerrari Jun 2012 #14

That link just led to an excerpt of "Shakespeare's Sister" by Woolf obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #28

Claiming that Woolf took her own life because of hatred EFerrari Jun 2012 #30

Maybe not within this thread, but why not on a thread? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #31

Exactly my point. Start a thread because the topic will need at least one. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #40

female children are aborted or left to die by the millions *because they are female.* if that's not StarryNight Jun 2012 #111

What is really scary is the right wing sufrommich Jun 2012 #3

Although unsavory, there is real pain behind the misogyny. WingDinger Jun 2012 #4

You have a very good point, and I think what you are saying is very true. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #10

Being in pain is not a free pass to inflict pain on others. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #15

Certainly. And reeducation, to whatever extent possible, is called for. WingDinger Jun 2012 #16

Lord... redqueen Jun 2012 #62

LOL! LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #77

Their original EDUMACATION was by pimple faced Freddy down the block. WingDinger Jun 2012 #79

Interesting. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #84

There is a book I read a few years ago that talks about this, was a good book.. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #22

"the new crop of boys, having been given different expectations, will bear up fine and not lash out" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #71

I'm horrified by it too. I'm seeing the effects of this on the men I care about in my family and LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #78

I'm thinking more of what they can expect out of marriage/coupling, men and women stuff. WingDinger Jun 2012 #83

Some of what is happening is, it's getting so much harder for both men and women LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #86

The answers ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #96

We need to have the courage to walk away from the dysfunction, don't we? LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #97

As CSN said, before they mowed down the hippies,We've got to get back to the garden, life is for WingDinger Jun 2012 #98

The ideas are popular now ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #100

Opportunities every day ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #99

I don't know how old you are, but I am in my mid 50's Tumbulu Jun 2012 #101

I'm 50. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #102

well I think that it creates the context of how we see the world Tumbulu Jun 2012 #106

all that, and yet they still think they're better than women? oh well. nt StarryNight Jun 2012 #112

Intriguing, if true. Unfortunately it's 180� false. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #117

Not certain what posts you mean on DU, but definitely seen it in society Scootaloo Jun 2012 #5

What's been a real eye-opener for me is the blatant misogyny tolerated on DU. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #6

I have not seen mean spirited misogyny. Just ignorance. WingDinger Jun 2012 #42

Agree. DURHAM D Jun 2012 #44

yep; it's not just for the reactionary rw-ers. it's "cool" and "edgy" for the lw-ers, StarryNight Jun 2012 #113

this should be in meta Mosby Jun 2012 #8

Juries are composed of randomly chosen members of DU. laconicsax Jun 2012 #108

I think we also need a refresher on what exactly is misogyny Taverner Jun 2012 #9

the very fact that DUers need to be told why the B-word and the C-word are StarryNight Jun 2012 #114

Very well said. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #119

Or...you can see it as a learning opportunity Taverner Jun 2012 #120

I get sick of hearing that anyone who is offended is being hypersensitive... cynatnite Jun 2012 #12

It does, doesn't it? LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #19

Imho, when women raise concerns about misogyny EFerrari Jun 2012 #20

As an old woman, HockeyMom Jun 2012 #21

Thank you for weighing in. I'm turning 51 this summer and have never seen it this bad, this much LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #24

i think overt nastiness of most kinds is more acceptable now; "keepin it real" you know. nt StarryNight Jun 2012 #115

As with any discussion of this nature, it is necessary to define our terms. lapislzi Jun 2012 #23

When you talk to or about women as if EFerrari Jun 2012 #25

Yes, thank you for stating that so eloquently! I was stumbling with trying to explain it. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #27

You're fine. EFerrari Jun 2012 #29

OK! No need for hostility. lapislzi Jun 2012 #33

I felt your question was respectful, felt no hostility towards you at all! I hope you didn't LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #35

There is no hostility in my post. EFerrari Jun 2012 #39

The best example I see here of people treating women as if they lack agency... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #72

Oh, gosh, I can think of examples that are more straight forward than that. EFerrari Jun 2012 #73

I think you're confusing agency with something else. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #93

I'm not confused. Telling a woman she *is* wrong, can't think, or that her experience is worthless EFerrari Jun 2012 #105

It's a good question. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #26

Thank you. That was actually helpful. lapislzi Jun 2012 #36

the denial on this board is stunning Skittles Jun 2012 #32

I don't understand. Could you clarify please? Thank you. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #34

In other threads... lapislzi Jun 2012 #37

I hate this notion that we get to dictate how others respond to our messages Recursion Jun 2012 #47

LOLOL Skittles Jun 2012 #104

My point exactly. lapislzi Jun 2012 #118

exhibit number one Skittles Jun 2012 #103

Hell yes. Compared to the early 90s we're back in the 1800s Recursion Jun 2012 #45

Good post. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #63

K&R. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #48

I'm very relieved and proud of DU for doing the right thing today and LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #49

I was completely blind to it until my friend was raped. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #54

Some of us have been talking about it for a long time. BlueIris Jun 2012 #58

I think it is time for DU to have some women admins join the boys in the band. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #66

Facebook's Chief Operating Officer is a woman. MADem Jun 2012 #68

Is that a serious suggestion? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #74

"V" is for Vagina. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #75

You appear to want it so that more people are banned muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #76

DU is a business. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #91

"Sandra Fluke is a whore" ... I didn't see a single person supporting it in any way on DU seabeyond Jun 2012 #95

It shows ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #109

You seem to be equating "disagreeing with your premise" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #80

No, I'm pretty sure people were called sexist for pretending that *any* unaccountable difference, redqueen Jun 2012 #82

See this is my point exactly: 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #85

That 5% (or 23% or ?) which CANNOT be accounted for by choices, or anything else, is evidence... redqueen Jun 2012 #87

You're really not getting this 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #88

Like the arguments against global warming? Yes, but not like you mean. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #94

+1. damn. sometimes you impress the hell out of me. seabeyond Jun 2012 #89

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #69

..... steve2470 Jun 2012 #70

I think there is a level of meanness and cruelty and nastiness that started in the right-wing maybe LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #81

Really good post here - TBF Jun 2012 #90

thank you for this post. i think it is a decade and half of manifesting a disrespect for women seabeyond Jun 2012 #92

. demmiblue Jun 2012 #107

it's definitely not confined to RW-ers, but it's nothing new. many LW men/women StarryNight Jun 2012 #110

At lEAST SomeONE is STaNdING UP for Men's RIGHTS!1!! pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #116

Bumping up DURHAM D Jun 2012 #121

I think it hasn't escalated, but that's just me. Maybe it's because I was alive back in the MADem Jun 2012 #122

no, i am sure you do not see it. i have yet to see you call one thing out as sexist and work at seabeyond Jun 2012 #123

So you think sexism against women has been escalating since the "mad men" era? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #124

not the point. divert. regardless and i am not measuring, sexism is sexism. saying, well.... seabeyond Jun 2012 #125

The person you were responding to said that he hadn't seen it get worse since those days 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #126

Here: 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #127

Thank you for stating that so precisely. MADem Jun 2012 #130

Yeah, 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #131

Yes -- it WAS the PRECISE POINT that I made. You're the one doing the "divert" nonsense. MADem Jun 2012 #129

I was born in 61 so I wasn't really aware of most stuff until about 79 when I had my first real job. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #133

In the WW2 and on days, when women first started to join the workforce in numbers, it was Open MADem Jun 2012 #135

Regarding sexual harassment - DURHAM D Jun 2012 #137

Oh it's still rampant in offices, too. redqueen Jun 2012 #139

Well, isn't that a broad-brushed and unfair commentary! MADem Jun 2012 #128

In much the same way as racism, it's still here, still strong, and still a lifestyle for far too man LanternWaste Jun 2012 #132

That wasn't "courage" back then--it was an undeserved sense of entitlement. MADem Jun 2012 #134

misogyny is no different than Racism yet it's tolerated and often encouraged. TNLib Jun 2012 #136

Yeah, sorry about that. Apparently it's all the fault of the mean, nasty feminists redqueen Jun 2012 #138

it appears to be ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #140