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LiberalLoner

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133. I was born in 61 so I wasn't really aware of most stuff until about 79 when I had my first real job.

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:41 PM

Jun 2012

I do remember that time period as having an awful lot of sexual harassment, which got pretty old at times. Today, there seems to be a whole lot less of that. It seems to be less tolerated today. So in that sense, I guess I can see that it has gotten better.

But what I'm seeing/feeling leaves me feeling less safe than ever. What I am perceiving is a resentment, a simmering anger, that I didn't perceive back then during the sexual harassment days.

It's the anger that really scares me. Maybe I'm not perceiving it accurately, or maybe I'm hypersensitive. I do have PTSD from the childhood that I had, so I'm very much hypersensitive towards displays of anger, of an attitude of, "I want to hurt you."

Back in the late 70's, early 80's, I had the feeling of "I want to have sex with you" a lot but never even once that I can remember, "I hate you and I want to hurt you if I could get away with it." Lately I'm feeling like I'm experiencing a whole lot of the latter and it really, really scares me.

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I think we need to talk about the hatred of women. [View all] LiberalLoner Jun 2012 OP

To be truthful, Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #1

Some women are hypersensitive EFerrari Jun 2012 #7

I missed something here Taverner Jun 2012 #11

It's old now and trust me, you didn't miss anything EFerrari Jun 2012 #13

I completely disagree with Eferrari. It is a real issue and pretending that it's just Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #38

Except you are disagreeing with something I didn't say. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #41

So, I misinterpreted "you didn't miss anything that deserved your attention."? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #50

I think so. I was referring to the mind-numbingly stupid bullying, EFerrari Jun 2012 #51

OK, now I'm really confused. Bullying of unkachunk? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #55

This must be my inarticulate Friday. EFerrari Jun 2012 #56

NP at all. I don't spend nearly enough time reading here to know most of what's going on. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #57

LOL. EFerrari Jun 2012 #60

Oh no doubt. My GF has been here since 2004 I think. She turned me on to it then and I Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #64

It's me you're disagreeing with, Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #65

Oh yeah, we had a crossed connection between my eyes and her fingers. complicated by my DUbie Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #67

And, of course, you're absolutely correct. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #17

This will likely get locked but, I'm glad you weighed in. EFerrari Jun 2012 #18

I am not a survivor of trauma. DURHAM D Jun 2012 #43

No, it isn't. It's honest and as a survivor myself, I approve that message. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #53

EFerrari, I like you, but it's not our job to tell others they are too sensitive Recursion Jun 2012 #46

Right, and I'm not advocating for telling anyone they are too sensitive. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #52

I don't think that E thinks that there is anything wrong with being hyersensitve Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #59

Right. I was describing, not proscribing. EFerrari Jun 2012 #61

It has claimed many lives this hatred. twitter1 Jun 2012 #2

Please don't cheapen this discussion EFerrari Jun 2012 #14

That link just led to an excerpt of "Shakespeare's Sister" by Woolf obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #28

Claiming that Woolf took her own life because of hatred EFerrari Jun 2012 #30

Maybe not within this thread, but why not on a thread? obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #31

Exactly my point. Start a thread because the topic will need at least one. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #40

female children are aborted or left to die by the millions *because they are female.* if that's not StarryNight Jun 2012 #111

What is really scary is the right wing sufrommich Jun 2012 #3

Although unsavory, there is real pain behind the misogyny. WingDinger Jun 2012 #4

You have a very good point, and I think what you are saying is very true. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #10

Being in pain is not a free pass to inflict pain on others. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #15

Certainly. And reeducation, to whatever extent possible, is called for. WingDinger Jun 2012 #16

Lord... redqueen Jun 2012 #62

LOL! LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #77

Their original EDUMACATION was by pimple faced Freddy down the block. WingDinger Jun 2012 #79

Interesting. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #84

There is a book I read a few years ago that talks about this, was a good book.. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #22

"the new crop of boys, having been given different expectations, will bear up fine and not lash out" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #71

I'm horrified by it too. I'm seeing the effects of this on the men I care about in my family and LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #78

I'm thinking more of what they can expect out of marriage/coupling, men and women stuff. WingDinger Jun 2012 #83

Some of what is happening is, it's getting so much harder for both men and women LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #86

The answers ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #96

We need to have the courage to walk away from the dysfunction, don't we? LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #97

As CSN said, before they mowed down the hippies,We've got to get back to the garden, life is for WingDinger Jun 2012 #98

The ideas are popular now ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #100

Opportunities every day ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #99

I don't know how old you are, but I am in my mid 50's Tumbulu Jun 2012 #101

I'm 50. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #102

well I think that it creates the context of how we see the world Tumbulu Jun 2012 #106

all that, and yet they still think they're better than women? oh well. nt StarryNight Jun 2012 #112

Intriguing, if true. Unfortunately it's 180� false. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #117

Not certain what posts you mean on DU, but definitely seen it in society Scootaloo Jun 2012 #5

What's been a real eye-opener for me is the blatant misogyny tolerated on DU. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #6

I have not seen mean spirited misogyny. Just ignorance. WingDinger Jun 2012 #42

Agree. DURHAM D Jun 2012 #44

yep; it's not just for the reactionary rw-ers. it's "cool" and "edgy" for the lw-ers, StarryNight Jun 2012 #113

this should be in meta Mosby Jun 2012 #8

Juries are composed of randomly chosen members of DU. laconicsax Jun 2012 #108

I think we also need a refresher on what exactly is misogyny Taverner Jun 2012 #9

the very fact that DUers need to be told why the B-word and the C-word are StarryNight Jun 2012 #114

Very well said. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #119

Or...you can see it as a learning opportunity Taverner Jun 2012 #120

I get sick of hearing that anyone who is offended is being hypersensitive... cynatnite Jun 2012 #12

It does, doesn't it? LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #19

Imho, when women raise concerns about misogyny EFerrari Jun 2012 #20

As an old woman, HockeyMom Jun 2012 #21

Thank you for weighing in. I'm turning 51 this summer and have never seen it this bad, this much LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #24

i think overt nastiness of most kinds is more acceptable now; "keepin it real" you know. nt StarryNight Jun 2012 #115

As with any discussion of this nature, it is necessary to define our terms. lapislzi Jun 2012 #23

When you talk to or about women as if EFerrari Jun 2012 #25

Yes, thank you for stating that so eloquently! I was stumbling with trying to explain it. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #27

You're fine. EFerrari Jun 2012 #29

OK! No need for hostility. lapislzi Jun 2012 #33

I felt your question was respectful, felt no hostility towards you at all! I hope you didn't LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #35

There is no hostility in my post. EFerrari Jun 2012 #39

The best example I see here of people treating women as if they lack agency... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #72

Oh, gosh, I can think of examples that are more straight forward than that. EFerrari Jun 2012 #73

I think you're confusing agency with something else. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #93

I'm not confused. Telling a woman she *is* wrong, can't think, or that her experience is worthless EFerrari Jun 2012 #105

It's a good question. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #26

Thank you. That was actually helpful. lapislzi Jun 2012 #36

the denial on this board is stunning Skittles Jun 2012 #32

I don't understand. Could you clarify please? Thank you. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #34

In other threads... lapislzi Jun 2012 #37

I hate this notion that we get to dictate how others respond to our messages Recursion Jun 2012 #47

LOLOL Skittles Jun 2012 #104

My point exactly. lapislzi Jun 2012 #118

exhibit number one Skittles Jun 2012 #103

Hell yes. Compared to the early 90s we're back in the 1800s Recursion Jun 2012 #45

Good post. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #63

K&R. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #48

I'm very relieved and proud of DU for doing the right thing today and LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #49

I was completely blind to it until my friend was raped. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #54

Some of us have been talking about it for a long time. BlueIris Jun 2012 #58

I think it is time for DU to have some women admins join the boys in the band. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #66

Facebook's Chief Operating Officer is a woman. MADem Jun 2012 #68

Is that a serious suggestion? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #74

"V" is for Vagina. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #75

You appear to want it so that more people are banned muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #76

DU is a business. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #91

"Sandra Fluke is a whore" ... I didn't see a single person supporting it in any way on DU seabeyond Jun 2012 #95

It shows ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #109

You seem to be equating "disagreeing with your premise" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #80

No, I'm pretty sure people were called sexist for pretending that *any* unaccountable difference, redqueen Jun 2012 #82

See this is my point exactly: 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #85

That 5% (or 23% or ?) which CANNOT be accounted for by choices, or anything else, is evidence... redqueen Jun 2012 #87

You're really not getting this 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #88

Like the arguments against global warming? Yes, but not like you mean. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #94

+1. damn. sometimes you impress the hell out of me. seabeyond Jun 2012 #89

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #69

..... steve2470 Jun 2012 #70

I think there is a level of meanness and cruelty and nastiness that started in the right-wing maybe LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #81

Really good post here - TBF Jun 2012 #90

thank you for this post. i think it is a decade and half of manifesting a disrespect for women seabeyond Jun 2012 #92

. demmiblue Jun 2012 #107

it's definitely not confined to RW-ers, but it's nothing new. many LW men/women StarryNight Jun 2012 #110

At lEAST SomeONE is STaNdING UP for Men's RIGHTS!1!! pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #116

Bumping up DURHAM D Jun 2012 #121

I think it hasn't escalated, but that's just me. Maybe it's because I was alive back in the MADem Jun 2012 #122

no, i am sure you do not see it. i have yet to see you call one thing out as sexist and work at seabeyond Jun 2012 #123

So you think sexism against women has been escalating since the "mad men" era? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #124

not the point. divert. regardless and i am not measuring, sexism is sexism. saying, well.... seabeyond Jun 2012 #125

The person you were responding to said that he hadn't seen it get worse since those days 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #126

Here: 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #127

Thank you for stating that so precisely. MADem Jun 2012 #130

Yeah, 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #131

Yes -- it WAS the PRECISE POINT that I made. You're the one doing the "divert" nonsense. MADem Jun 2012 #129

I was born in 61 so I wasn't really aware of most stuff until about 79 when I had my first real job. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #133

In the WW2 and on days, when women first started to join the workforce in numbers, it was Open MADem Jun 2012 #135

Regarding sexual harassment - DURHAM D Jun 2012 #137

Oh it's still rampant in offices, too. redqueen Jun 2012 #139

Well, isn't that a broad-brushed and unfair commentary! MADem Jun 2012 #128

In much the same way as racism, it's still here, still strong, and still a lifestyle for far too man LanternWaste Jun 2012 #132

That wasn't "courage" back then--it was an undeserved sense of entitlement. MADem Jun 2012 #134

misogyny is no different than Racism yet it's tolerated and often encouraged. TNLib Jun 2012 #136

Yeah, sorry about that. Apparently it's all the fault of the mean, nasty feminists redqueen Jun 2012 #138

it appears to be ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #140