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40. I let him speak for himself - in context.

Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:51 PM

Oct 2016

'It's the Prices, Stupid': An Interview with Health Policy Expert Gerard Anderson

By Gerard Anderson, Elizabeth Palmberg
Sojourners, June 2011

Sojourners: What are some of the most important causes for why the U.S. is paying a lot more than other wealthy countries for health care without getting improved results?

Anderson: A higher health-care cost is pretty much because of what I call, “It’s prices, stupid.” We just pay approximately twice as much for each good and service that we utilize in the U.S. vis-a-vis other industrial countries. In fact, for a hospital visit it’s about three times more than other industrialized countries for a similar visit — in a shorter period of time that you’re in the hospital, we still spend about three times more. So it seems to be that we just pay more for identical services compared to other industrialized countries.

Sojourners: Why?

Anderson: Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator, whereas in the United States we have so many different purchasers that nobody has a lot of power.

Sojourners: If you didn’t have to think about political realities at all, what health-care policies would you suggest the U.S. adopt?

Anderson: Basically, that everybody has the same health care and access to the same health care.

Sojourners: Through a single-payer system?

Anderson: Well, that’s the payment side. And then access to the same delivery system as well.

Sojourners: So, both single-payer and a standardized quality of care?

Anderson: Correct.

https://sojo.net/magazine/june-2011/its-prices-stupid-interview-health-policy-expert-gerard-anderson

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Which Countries Have Single-Payer Health Systems? [View all] ehrnst Oct 2016 OP

Single-payer was always a compromise for me. LWolf Oct 2016 #1

Then this post isn't referencing you. Many others here on DU, yes. ehrnst Oct 2016 #2

+1 NCTraveler Oct 2016 #8

And I would like every house in the country to be fitted with Solar Panels or wind turbines. ehrnst Oct 2016 #13

ok. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #16

It does however, allow us a collective and efficient goal to reach... LanternWaste Oct 2016 #20

Yes, the goal of universal health coverage doesn't need to require single payer ehrnst Oct 2016 #30

No. A single payer system is essential. Anderson agrees. kristopher Oct 2016 #36

Anderson was talking about the "medicare for all" proposals of 2016 ehrnst Oct 2016 #39

I let him speak for himself - in context. kristopher Oct 2016 #40

Again - this is from 2011. ehrnst Oct 2016 #45

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Oct 2016 #53

You can paste the same thing again and again until you are blue in the face... ehrnst Oct 2016 #54

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #57

What part of that refutes what I said? ehrnst Oct 2016 #58

And just that one thing LWolf Oct 2016 #66

It would be huge. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #67

Me too tazkcmo Oct 2016 #55

What right-wing garbage is this? BlueStreak Oct 2016 #3

Well first off - it's not garbage, and it's not right wing ehrnst Oct 2016 #5

Here is Anderson in an interview saying single payer is how to reduce costs kristopher Oct 2016 #29

That's from five years ago. The OP article discusses "Medicare for All" proposals in this election ehrnst Oct 2016 #31

The point of your article is the same as it always is, to misrepresent the idea and role of SP. kristopher Oct 2016 #33

I guess that's one way to try discredit something that you don't agree with ehrnst Oct 2016 #34

You are misrepresenting the meaning of Anderson's writing. kristopher Oct 2016 #37

What part of "not all nations in Europe have or have had single payer" ehrnst Oct 2016 #41

The posters you are arguing with are arguing for exactly what Anderson endorses. kristopher Oct 2016 #46

That's where you are misunderstanding. ehrnst Oct 2016 #51

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #56

What part of that refutes what I said? ehrnst Oct 2016 #59

Screaming that something is right wing garbage doesn't make you right mythology Oct 2016 #23

There is not a shred of evicence that our private insurance system contributes one iota BlueStreak Oct 2016 #25

You have to be aware of terms: single payer is not necessarily universal health coverage mnhtnbb Oct 2016 #4

Good luck. You're guilty of "sophistry" now, like me. ehrnst Oct 2016 #42

Mere sophistry whatthehey Oct 2016 #6

Not everybody here "knows" And are you accusing me of lying or the NPR reporter?(nt) ehrnst Oct 2016 #7

Please cite the accusation of lying. whatthehey Oct 2016 #9

"Mere Sophistry" ehrnst Oct 2016 #11

Read deeper whatthehey Oct 2016 #18

Why don't you 'splain it to me. ehrnst Oct 2016 #19

Seems accurate. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #21

It may be ignorance from the NPR reporter or those spreading this stuff. Or BlueStreak Oct 2016 #26

Or you may simply think that anything that doesn't validate a particular veiw ehrnst Oct 2016 #32

I consider to be 'single payer'.. sendero Oct 2016 #10

You can make up your own definition for any word. But that doesn't change the reality of it. ehrnst Oct 2016 #12

Well if someone is controlling... sendero Oct 2016 #15

And to a Tea Partier, if something is federally regulated.... ehrnst Oct 2016 #17

Sender's point is correct. The author of the OP snip agrees... kristopher Oct 2016 #44

From 2011, and not addressing the points that the OP made ehrnst Oct 2016 #47

"Because, in most other countries they have a single purchaser, which is a very tough negotiator" kristopher Oct 2016 #49

I guess that means you're done copying and pasting the same thing that doesn't address my post? ehrnst Oct 2016 #52

"We're done" I suppose that's a 'mic' drop... ehrnst Oct 2016 #61

we need accessible, nonprofit, universal health care at little or no direct cost to patients.... mike_c Oct 2016 #14

I think universal healthcare is THE goal ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #22

Apparently to believe this = "sophistry" ehrnst Oct 2016 #38

True. There is not a magic way to universal healthcare ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #62

Tempting to simply declare that there is one simple answer to a complicated issue ehrnst Oct 2016 #63

The USA is the only country in the western hemisphere without a single payer Warpy Oct 2016 #27

Actually no. According to the OP Canada is the only country with true Single Payer ehrnst Oct 2016 #50

Canada is unique in how it set was up. roamer65 Oct 2016 #69

Arguments about language and definitions are a very deliberate distraction. hunter Oct 2016 #28

this ^^^^^^^^^^ Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #43

Words mean things. Specific things. If you want to discuss them, you should know what they mean. ehrnst Oct 2016 #60

Where did I say Obamacare was socialism? hunter Oct 2016 #64

That was an analogy. ehrnst Oct 2016 #65

The article is FUD. It's not reporting "debate" about Single Payer at all. hunter Oct 2016 #68

To start with - You have made a major mistake in which foundation your are talking about ehrnst Oct 2016 #70

Ooops. Me, off on a wild google chase again... hunter Oct 2016 #71

Good to see that you now have the correct foundation ehrnst Oct 2016 #72

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