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jp11

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36. What I didn't see or saw little of
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jun 2012

in that really long piece was the issue that people take more than they'd consume/use or actually buy when it is free. Call it what you will and I'm sure there is some name for it.

When you don't have to make a choice between things and can have them all why not do so? I think virtually no one who has that many songs would actually buy them all, ever. Even if you could get them used for half price or buy them cheap then resell them so the total cost was close to 25-35% of retail hardly anyone would do it. Not even if you could remove the burdens of having to physically handle all those cd's and rip them to a computer.

Right there is a basic flaw in this 'stealing deprives artists/labels of money' because the very large majority of people WOULD NOT buy them if they were not available for free. Thus there is very little stealing in that equation, would they buy something I'm sure they would but not nearly as much as many of them take. It doesn't excuse it but it does deflate that argument that everything acquired is stolen and a direct sale 'lost'.

I see little in regard to the vast increase in the number of artists, yes more people can produce albums so record sales probably take a hit from that in some aspect. Does it cover the decline over the years, highly unlikely that it does, what about the way the RIAA fought tooth and nail against moving into the next century with digital music? Or how about the way they went after kids, college students, etc not just to stop them but punish and make examples of them. Suing for millions dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars when at most the cost of the IP was in the range of a few thousand dollars or low tens of thousands of dollars? Some forced to take pleas, with heavy fines, over facing the huge court costs and even harsher penalties of the lawsuit should they lose.

There is also no mention of all the other things that have changed in the last 10-15 years. People can listen to most of the albums they used to buy through music videos online, create a playlist on youtube and you have many of the songs you'd buy free. Video gamers ranks have swelled so that just listening to music isn't as popular as it once was. Those are just a couple of examples in addition to the increase in the number of artists that are now able to put out their material who don't need a label to do so as they did 15+ years ago that probably hurt commercial record sales as well.

The writer asks 'how hard is it to use itunes or enter your password' and says it isn't 'their job to make it easy' except that is exactly their job. If you want people to pay for the content you sell when it is available FREE elsewhere you need to not make doing so a PIA, you need to not put restrictions on your customers that actually punish them for supporting you and doing the right thing. Itunes is actually still 'new' when compared to file sharing and I can't speak to how well it was stocked at launch(10 years ago) or the pricing then but consider that before Itunes opened up there were numerous other alternatives that were free and fully stocked with whatever you wanted no registration no limits on what they had. They, Itunes, only recently like the last 3 years removed many of their DRM restrictions.

Even today many digital albums still cost as much as the physical copy which has material costs and has to be transported/handled to be sold. While that cost isn't all that high it should reduce the price for a digital product absent the physical media.

With some of the content delivery systems you actually don't own the thing you bought you are granted a license and *if* they want they can revoke that while keeping your money. It hasn't happened much as I recall the only instance that comes to mind is a book that Amazon pulled, people who bought it had it wiped from their accounts. But the way they want it is you don't own these things you just have 'use' of them for as long as they allow you to do so. That might be fine but the power is not in your hands as the consumer who purchased the item/thing/IP because they redefined what you were buying.

None of this excuses not paying artists for the work they make and you benefit from. People have a right to make a living and should be paid for their efforts but things aren't as black and white as a great deal of the anti-piracy/copyright infringement arguments try to make them out to be.

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Maybe each CD has 734 songs... ( n/t ) Make7 Jun 2012 #1
When I start seeing a widespread movement to force the labels to stop Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #2
What about the self produced albums? Bennyboy Jun 2012 #4
And are they no longer making their music? Have their fan bases shrunk? This is not about artists, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20
Funny but why have indy musicians all sent this to me today? Bennyboy Jun 2012 #27
thieves say and do anything to justify their behavior lol nt msongs Jun 2012 #30
Thieves need no justification. What is, is, and your options are to deal with it or pretend that it Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #57
What the labels do doesn't excuse her stealing 1,000 albums. That's moral relativism. kysrsoze Jun 2012 #5
No it doesn't, but it certainly does demonstrate the disingenuousness of the argument Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #16
Copyright infringement is not stealing Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #53
As a copyright holder, I find your attitude to be... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #56
I was referring to the terminology Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #59
Making a digital copy of an existing recording, which may have taken literally... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #60
I'll try once more... Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #65
You are using false analogies to try and pathetically cover up your... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #69
This is a fascinating issue. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #77
I have no argument with what you say here... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #78
thanks for all your posts on this matter. zappaman Jun 2012 #81
Thanks, I appreciate that... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #83
In response to your mention of the record companies' loss of profits... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #62
I'm not saying I'm against copyright protection! Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #66
The problem is technology is making it hard to enforce copyright. Zalatix Jun 2012 #74
Good point, Zalatix... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #80
She no doubt gets a lot of courtesy albums and tracks. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #76
Read the article again taterguy Jun 2012 #8
No, it wasn't. It reprinted the same argument that they've been putting forth for years. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #21
Not all musicians have the ability to self produce albums the way Trent Reznor and Radiohead do. Initech Jun 2012 #9
And something in excess of 98% of all artists are never produced at all. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #23
Maybe she got them all from iTunes? GarroHorus Jun 2012 #3
That was my first thought too Poiuyt Jun 2012 #54
if she's a GM at a college radio station, those songs are likely promos. nashville_brook Jun 2012 #6
Ding ! KurtNYC Jun 2012 #37
I don't buy CD's Drale Jun 2012 #7
Unfortunately, there's no way to contain information Scootaloo Jun 2012 #10
Nothing wrong with Pandora subscriptions, and there are plenty of iTunes alternatives kysrsoze Jun 2012 #11
Yes, you could be wrong Scootaloo Jun 2012 #17
But you can't fight technology! What are we gonna do, go back to phonographs?? Zalatix Jun 2012 #64
Pretty much; There's a reason the Amish lifestyle is voluntary Scootaloo Jun 2012 #68
I was making fun of the "you can't stop technology" argument. Zalatix Jun 2012 #75
I remember when radio stations would broadcast the time that they were Jumping John Jun 2012 #12
They didn't mind for a few reasons onenote Jun 2012 #15
Actually, they did mind and they went to court and lost. Several times over 30 years. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #24
Back when cassette tapes were popular... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #48
It amazes me when people n the DU think copying music is ok! But... Logical Jun 2012 #13
As someone who writes, records, produces, publishes on my own musiclawyer Jun 2012 #14
I've noticed a lot of artists uploading "bad" files to protect themselves just1voice Jun 2012 #19
We are on vacation in Hawaii marlakay Jun 2012 #22
Good for her for being frugal. Anything I can download, I do... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #18
Here are a couple of sites you may like: kentauros Jun 2012 #32
I frickin' LOVE WFMU. =D AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #35
If I could stream at work, kentauros Jun 2012 #46
Back in the golden age of the demo scene, I downloaded free "mod" songs. Zalatix Jun 2012 #67
I hadn't heard them before, kentauros Jun 2012 #70
My jaw has fallen and it can't get up! Zalatix Jun 2012 #71
I was just saying to myself kentauros Jun 2012 #73
You call stealing being frugal? That's an interesting take, no pun intended. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #39
I heard today that Metallica can not afford to quit touring sadbear Jun 2012 #25
Those guys have made a skillion dollars over a thirty year career. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #41
Either way sadbear Jun 2012 #43
I don't disagree, but I think that's the problem. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #44
I can appreciate your approach sadbear Jun 2012 #45
I guess that works for pop. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #47
I suppose we are talking apples and oranges then sadbear Jun 2012 #51
Not as much, I don't think. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #55
I spend at least a thousand bucks a year on music high density Jun 2012 #26
Considering her job, i'd say she got a lot of promo copies. hobbit709 Jun 2012 #28
pirating music is cool and fun BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #29
Has anyone ever heard of promos and giveaways? MrScorpio Jun 2012 #31
We both know the truth you speak. kentauros Jun 2012 #33
I forgot to mention Bandcamp MrScorpio Jun 2012 #50
He wrote her at NPR to clarify that. Festivito Jun 2012 #38
I actually thought this article was decently thought out for the most part, but....... AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #34
What I didn't see or saw little of jp11 Jun 2012 #36
For those who don't know... Bennyboy Jun 2012 #40
If you want to support your favorite band GO SEE THEM LIVE. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #42
This. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #49
That's a nice sentiment BUT, Bennyboy Jun 2012 #61
For 30 Years I Never Paid For A CD or LP... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #52
And the scumbag RIAA will sue her for eight zillion dollars. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #58
And the RIAA will probably crucify her for umpty billion dollars Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #63
I can remember Go Vols Jun 2012 #72
To speak like a "grumpy old fart" MicaelS Jun 2012 #79
I'd never download songs JonLP24 Jun 2012 #82
Another take.....(great response to the response to the response) Bennyboy Jun 2012 #84
This shows the old business models the MAFIAA are trying to shove down our throats just don't work. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #85
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