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Dorian Gray

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326. I agree

Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:09 AM

Oct 2016

erotic imagery is pervasive throughout art: literature, painting, film, music.

And there is a blurry line between erotica and pornography. Definitions change over time.

I am not much of a fan of pornography (film) as it exists today. Often too blunt and quick and formulaic. I also do think that there is a real problem in the industry with drugs, abuse of women, keeping them drugged up in order to perform.

Having said that, I also realize that there are a number of adult film stars who make films of their own free will, and I don't have much of a problem with that. I choose not to consume.

A crackdown on the more pernicious corners of the industry (under age/snuff/etc.), I would wholeheartedly support and be behind. That's well beyond the blurry line that separates erotica from pornography. But when it comes to fetish/straight/gay/etc porn, as long as all is kosher in the filming process, it's not my place to judge.

This is an interesting conversation, though.

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Does Porn Degrade Women? [View all] Retired George Oct 2016 OP

Whatevs Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #1

Have you seen "money shots"? Retired George Oct 2016 #10

You're watching the wrong porn. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #17

Yeah, "porn" is a pretty vague term. Is nudity porn? or bedroom scenes in regular movies? ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #79

Most of the porn I've seen is films of people having sex. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #81

LOL Skittles Oct 2016 #321

I think you may have misunderstood my post, my friend. I've never claimed I haven't looked at smut. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #322

... Major Nikon Oct 2016 #274

If nautical nonsense be something ye wish Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #277

I have the same problem at Taco Bell jberryhill Oct 2016 #38

I have no idea what a meximelt is. Will I regret googling it? nt msanthrope Oct 2016 #57

probably. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #82

One third of them? melman Oct 2016 #52

Does Gay Porn degrade men? brooklynite Oct 2016 #2

Oh, it is? Well, never mind then. kcr Oct 2016 #90

There is a demand for oil so I think we should let the North Dakota pipeline go through. Right?? adigal Oct 2016 #139

There Will Be Lube Orrex Oct 2016 #142

That was a slick comment! Dr. Strange Oct 2016 #143

Grease is the word. Orrex Oct 2016 #144

So what specifically is your alternative? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #187

What exactly would you like? You already have the 1st Amendment right to complain all you want. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #186

Of course not, for two reasons. Behind the Aegis Oct 2016 #95

watch it, if you don't support censorship, apparently you're an "MRA" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #282

? opiate69 Oct 2016 #286

Some think invoking those letters will obscure the fact that they're defending a GOP Platform Plank Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #287

You watch some weird porn. temporary311 Oct 2016 #3

Really. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2016 #6

Is their any other kind? Retired George Oct 2016 #11

I heard that "today's marijuana" causes brain damage and will make your testicles fall off, too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #16

There are a ton Jamaal510 Oct 2016 #247

Well, George only watches the degrading kind. Dr. Strange Oct 2016 #252

Jesus. Next time I've had a few too many I know I'm msanthrope Oct 2016 #263

So... outlaw it? tinrobot Oct 2016 #4

I do not disagree with the idea. But- while it was bad in the past digital photography... JanMichael Oct 2016 #7

Perhaps you're watching the wrong porn mythology Oct 2016 #9

Such porn exists Retired George Oct 2016 #14

You're watching porn with your wife, but then you want to start an anti-porn thread on DU? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #18

Well, it's a glass half-full kinda thing. jberryhill Oct 2016 #37

Maybe you should screen the porn yourself before you show your wife snooper2 Oct 2016 #138

I think there is a difference between porn and erotica. LisaM Oct 2016 #48

"Erotica is what I like, porn is what you like." Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #53

I think some people confuse acknowledging that women are indeed degraded in some porn kcr Oct 2016 #96

This! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #118

I might accept that if I saw the anti-porn activists like Dines promoting "good" porn. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #189

Ask Gail Dines to find some porn she won't call "degrading" or "harmful" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #181

Not all porn is the same MadBadger Oct 2016 #12

I think the problem is the human flesh trade. Rex Oct 2016 #13

There are a lot of different sex work categories.... demgurl Oct 2016 #164

You get paid to have sex on camera, some porn is very much prostitution. Rex Oct 2016 #170

You do not get paid to have sex on camera. demgurl Oct 2016 #196

Getting paid to have sex is prostitution. The acting part? Really that is where you want to go? Rex Oct 2016 #254

Then why is making porn not illegal? demgurl Oct 2016 #275

So nobody is getting paid to have sex? Rex Oct 2016 #288

No. They are getting paid to act. demgurl Oct 2016 #303

I don't care, it is not anything but an opinion. Rex Oct 2016 #306

Of course you are giving your opinion demgurl Oct 2016 #329

Oh goody, a porn thread. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #15

Sign me on to this post. nt msanthrope Oct 2016 #19

I'm a neverending font of wisdom. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #20

I enjoyed reading the OP. I'm always fascinated when people describe msanthrope Oct 2016 #21

Interesting observation. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #22

Well, it reminds me of the time my very Republican aunt described the msanthrope Oct 2016 #24

"My wife has complained on several occasions" jberryhill Oct 2016 #36

Personally, I think the intent of this OP was to make us fight stevenleser Oct 2016 #211

Thank Christ he didn't ask for a chicken-breading recipie. nt msanthrope Oct 2016 #236

Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #126

Oh yeah. edbermac Oct 2016 #130

Methinks he doth protest too much. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #299

Shoulda gone for beer, travel money and many experiences pinboy3niner Oct 2016 #23

awww....that's a blast from the past Lucinda Oct 2016 #25

A nice, if random, thought. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #28

Well, you have to admit it's been a while since we had a good one. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #298

Hell, look around: some folks are STILL being traumatized by the 2013 SI swimsuit issue Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #308

That one was particularly radioactive. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #328

There was like at least a month of continual shit-losing, over that one. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #334

"ruined my entire year" NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #338

Some. Some doesn't. Just like mainstream films. n/t Lucinda Oct 2016 #26

Welcome to DU alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #27

C'mon, when's the last time GD had a good old fashioned porn war? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #30

There's an election going on - we don't have time for porn jberryhill Oct 2016 #39

Speak for yourself, hombre Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #41

People like you are why I use hand sanitizer after voting jberryhill Oct 2016 #43

Ass pennies Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #44

Ever use a TV remote in a hotel room? jberryhill Oct 2016 #46

I know. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #47

I never saw that clip before jberryhill Oct 2016 #56

Hell with that! greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #111

Porn and comedians angrychair Oct 2016 #29

Republicans are the party of wanting to censor pornography. Just read their platform. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #31

And the most porn watching states are mostly red TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #267

that's actually not a true statistic. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #268

what if it's femdom porn? qazplm Oct 2016 #32

apparently no adult can EVER possibly consent to take off their clothes in front of a camera. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #246

There are men in porn videos as well liberal N proud Oct 2016 #34

Why would the question only apply to women? Doodley Oct 2016 #35

Not unless women are forced into it LeftInTX Oct 2016 #40

IMHO, porn degrades both men and women. Koinos Oct 2016 #42

I think trying to tell consenting adults how they should or shouldn't get their jollies is what is Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #49

The above opinion wasn't in any way "trying" to do anything. WinkyDink Oct 2016 #331

you're right, it's just flat out telling other people what to do. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #332

I have a few amusing porn stories, and a few utterly terrifying porn stories. hunter Oct 2016 #45

is a nude drawing for an art class "porn"? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #50

My hands are not small. hunter Oct 2016 #60

Now you're being ridiculous rumdude Oct 2016 #61

I'm responding to the post which put the nude drawing anecdote under "my porn stories" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #64

Years ago I posted a picture of my own naked ass on DU. hunter Oct 2016 #70

you have the best stories, I've noticed lol kudos :) nt steve2470 Oct 2016 #190

Posing nude for a college drawing class is not porn. athena Oct 2016 #110

It's a continuum, art to porn. hunter Oct 2016 #168

No, it is not. athena Oct 2016 #169

so why does the inclusion of something sexual automatically remove it from the category "art"? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #177

Not original person you Dorian Gray Oct 2016 #323

Agreed. That's great. Haven't been to that particular museum, myself. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #325

I agree Dorian Gray Oct 2016 #326

And I agree too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #327

We are in agreement Dorian Gray Oct 2016 #335

Is there any art going on at a place like this: hunter Oct 2016 #192

if everyone could & would agree that enthusiastic adult consent should be the standard Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #201

Ask your father athena Oct 2016 #208

art is nothing if not subjective. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #209

"The U.S.A. has it's own toxic cultural attitudes about nudity and sexuality." NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #300

I know of a few "tricks" used in porn production. Lint Head Oct 2016 #51

Ivory Liquid tastes even worse jberryhill Oct 2016 #84

Just like fight scenes in movies aren't "real", they're staged to look real ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #85

I think much of it does, not all, but much rumdude Oct 2016 #54

I don't feel the need to defend shitty bands, but that doesn't mean I agree "Rock & Roll is Satanic" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #55

I don't feel the need to call for a ban or even regulation of it to admit that a lot of porn is rumdude Oct 2016 #59

One, comparing pictures of naked people fucking to heroin is ludicrous. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #63

Once again, simple naked pictures are not the issue rumdude Oct 2016 #65

The OPs central point is that "most porn is bad" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #72

I believe this article raises some valid critiques rumdude Oct 2016 #68

Gail Dines has built her entire career on fighting porn. So she's hardly a disinterested participant Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #71

Then we must agree to disagree. rumdude Oct 2016 #73

Really? You don't want to defend the Republican Platform and the Utah State Legislature? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #74

Everything can't be reduced to simple left v right rumdude Oct 2016 #76

and yet, you want to reduce "porn" to a single, easily broadbrushed entity. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #179

You don't seem to be able to handle any critique whatsoever about porn. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #119

Swap out porn for guns in video games Blue_Adept Oct 2016 #129

what people don't seem to be able to handle is any challenging of these axiomatic, blanket Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #171

And again, Gail Dines has nothing but praise for the Republican State Legislature in Utah. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #203

you find me an example of Gail Dines approving of ANY graphic visual depiction of adult sexuality Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #260

Are french fries bad? GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #58

If two people who do not know each other have sex... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2016 #62

So censorship of pornography is the answer? How many years in jail should someone get? davidn3600 Oct 2016 #66

authoritarians gotta authoritize, control freaks gotta control. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #75

Well? Is it? kcr Oct 2016 #91

Oh come on... davidn3600 Oct 2016 #92

No. I don't. kcr Oct 2016 #94

It may assist you to learn the wholly relevant difference between "imply" and "infer." LanternWaste Oct 2016 #279

Yep.... no mention of ANY proposed regulation, much less a ban proposal. Straw man. nt prayin4rain Oct 2016 #167

Nice MRA strawman you got there. nt JTFrog Oct 2016 #250

You really like to trot out that MRA boogeyman, don't you? NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #292

Only when apropos. nt JTFrog Oct 2016 #295

Like when you want to shut down discussion that you don't like? NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #296

Lol, ok. nt JTFrog Oct 2016 #297

How do you know that what you've described degrades women? Yavin4 Oct 2016 #67

No. It can, just like Hooters. But it doesn't always, for closeupready Oct 2016 #69

I hope Hillary isnt like you. mr_liberal Oct 2016 #77

The ONLY people making this sort of noise are Republicans. Read their platform. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #78

Then why the need to clutch at the porn stashes in fear kcr Oct 2016 #93

I'm sorry if you don't like my opinion. I'm sorry if you don't like people standing up for choice. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #97

If this were a discussion about authoritarianism, I'd be right there with you. kcr Oct 2016 #99

mislabeling? The entire premise of these threads is based upon deliberate misrepresentation. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #100

Where is the deliberate misrepresentation? kcr Oct 2016 #101

I guess. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #102

Oops. Hashtag not all porn! Sorry, I didn't catch that. kcr Oct 2016 #103

There was a guy in Britain who fucked a mailbox. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #104

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #123

Exactly. betsuni Oct 2016 #131

what is black and white is the attempt to put "porn" under one roof. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #173

You notice I haven't posted anything. Jim Beard Oct 2016 #233

Wow. You just love the porn industry. rumdude Oct 2016 #121

+1 betsuni Oct 2016 #132

You're right, I'm tougher on "Christianity" than I am on "the porn industry". You got my number. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #172

The demographics of DU, and the party in general, are changing. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #127

I think younger people are increasingly small-l libertarian on personal choice issues. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #175

Is it your belief that this campaign has brought young people to the party? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #243

I do, actually. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #244

Your optimism is something I like about you. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #253

Like Bucky Fuller, my optimism is a conscious choice. And not always an easy one. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #257

It generally degrades all who come in contact with it nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #80

Good heavens, how do you stand the internet? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #83

frequently the same nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #107

Upright is best Blue_Adept Oct 2016 #113

It's one of those two person lifting jobs, for sure Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #191

What about the coming age of sex robots....Does that degrade women too? davidn3600 Oct 2016 #87

if one's ideal of sex is mechanically using another body to masturbate oneself geek tragedy Oct 2016 #108

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #125

That's exactly right. athena Oct 2016 #162

to a more abstract point, it denies the entire human/psychological/emotional component of sexuality geek tragedy Oct 2016 #163

Good point. athena Oct 2016 #166

I'm glad we agree that its time for a long-overdue conversation about women & vibrators. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #198

There are male sex dolls sold. MicaelS Oct 2016 #204

Derp.... opiate69 Oct 2016 #222

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb-buck! Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #273

Then why are the two places we hear this gail dines gibberish, this thread & the GOP platform? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #199

"Almost eight out of 10 young women said pornography geek tragedy Oct 2016 #206

And throwing personal insults out means the intellectual argument is lost Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #207

I threw no insults. Re-read what I wrote? geek tragedy Oct 2016 #216

Nor have I "tried to act as if everyone who doesn't have pornhub in their bookmarks is a deviant" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #220

Part of free expression is learning to deal with the fact geek tragedy Oct 2016 #229

Who's not dealing with it? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #231

Are women ready to give up vibrators and other sex toys then? davidn3600 Oct 2016 #223

This is the future? GOLGO 13 Oct 2016 #117

An MRA Utopia. nt JTFrog Oct 2016 #251

Camera sex isn't pleasure sex. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #86

Does TV "professional wrestling" degrade men? ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #88

This is a long list for such a subject. rusty quoin Oct 2016 #89

sure, when people thought sex was dirty and we had to be constantly vigilant about "sin". Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #98

Not the porn i watch and enjoy patsimp Oct 2016 #105

Porn industry is one of the few Separation Oct 2016 #106

A lot of the home-made porn is OK, it's the professional stuff that is disgusting and degrading. Odin2005 Oct 2016 #109

Sort of like beer or agriculture The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #114

But "professional" covers just as wide a number of genres as hollywood/tv Blue_Adept Oct 2016 #115

Usually it's not until the winter months that we get the porn wars Blue_Adept Oct 2016 #112

Blame climate change n/t Yavin4 Oct 2016 #120

Damn you, Al Gore! :D Blue_Adept Oct 2016 #128

Apparently winter is coming Orrex Oct 2016 #136

we haven't had a good one of these in a while, and it shows. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #183

"some people really need to get it out of their systems" NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #294

Indeed an all-time high achiever in the annals of "throw some shit at the wall & see if it sticks" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #307

To each their own Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #116

The porn industry strongly regulates age. MicaelS Oct 2016 #122

Why do anti-porn people never acknowledge that some women enjoy performing in and watching porn Yavin4 Oct 2016 #124

Because they're first and foremost anti-porn? The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #133

That's fine. I'm "anti" a lot of things, but I don't want to deny people from enjoying them. Yavin4 Oct 2016 #134

Then you're not first and foremost anti-whatever The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #137

Ah, porn... fullautohotdog Oct 2016 #135

Where does amatuer or home made porn fit into this belief of degradation? Heeeeers Johnny Oct 2016 #140

Sometimes ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #141

Yay! A pron thread! Glassunion Oct 2016 #145

Don't worry ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #146

So Retired George has been Retired? Glassunion Oct 2016 #148

Heh! Yes he was ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #151

Jeez--what triggered it? Orrex Oct 2016 #156

Just another Troll who can't stay away ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #158

Well, now he has more time for his precious, precious porn Orrex Oct 2016 #160

I'm gonna say Hopehoops Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #176

Not him. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #184

Oh. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #185

I don't think so. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #193

Ah, yes. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #194

It does. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #195

Part of the problem ... Straw Man Oct 2016 #147

LOL! Looks like the author of the OP has been "retired" Marengo Oct 2016 #149

Can't say I agree with you. demgurl Oct 2016 #150

One more thing..... demgurl Oct 2016 #152

Thank you for adding some really great points with this and your other post Blue_Adept Oct 2016 #155

You are welcome. demgurl Oct 2016 #197

Lots of projection in this post.... Upin Oct 2016 #153

how come we never think of men being degraded by porn? i think porn is degrading because La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #154

exactly. Or some people do. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #178

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #230

Depends on the porn. Nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2016 #157

Without consent, it's wrong JesterCS Oct 2016 #159

I am fed up with the cost of internet porn. This free stuff has to stop. Jim Beard Oct 2016 #161

I alerted on this a few hours ago. edbermac Oct 2016 #165

He may have been a returning customer, and once you brought him to the system's attention Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #174

When I was fresh out of journalism school, my first paying job was to Exilednight Oct 2016 #180

Yeaaaa!! Porn wars! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2016 #200

The fact that the OP was a shit-stirring troll, now banned, doesnt seem to stop some here Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #202

LOL JonLP24 Oct 2016 #241

yeah, you hang around the cizarny long enough Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #242

This thread clearly needs pictures Generic Brad Oct 2016 #205

cute bunnies. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #210

And, of course, who doesn't love frogs? opiate69 Oct 2016 #212

come to be insulted, too? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #214

Heh... meanie! opiate69 Oct 2016 #219

it's disgusting that anyone would have SEX... with a MACHINE! Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #225

If I were you, I'd stay away from Japanese porn for sure MrScorpio Oct 2016 #226

Agreed. I haven't been able to eat seafood since. name not needed Oct 2016 #235

I think it definitely does JonLP24 Oct 2016 #234

I'm sure there are people who watch superman and think a red cape will allow them to fly, too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #238

Is Rock and Roll a Tool of Satan? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #237

Look at you go rumdude Oct 2016 #239

C'mon, no more personal insults? I'm disappointed. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #240

... opiate69 Oct 2016 #245

. reflection Oct 2016 #249

For someone so abjectly opposed to porn, you seem to know a lot about it. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #255

Sometimes degradation is the point JCMach1 Oct 2016 #256

Spot on Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #304

This thread shall never die rumdude Oct 2016 #258

It sounds like this isn't your first trip through the DU carwash, so, you should expect that. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #259

I'm still trying to think of who old Retired Georgie boy used to be... opiate69 Oct 2016 #262

Check your PMs Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #264

Alas the captain went down with his ship. Rex Oct 2016 #270

like I said, it's too early for the Thanksgiving Turkey Holocaust threads. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #271

There was a pitbull thread a few weeks ago. Rex Oct 2016 #272

Don't forget breast feeding. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #339

It ain't - nt rumdude Oct 2016 #283

guess what? It wasn't the OPs, either. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #285

Is this the longest all time porn thread? AngryAmish Oct 2016 #261

Oh, not even close. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #265

But those wars were multiple, this is pure concentrated stupidity AngryAmish Oct 2016 #266

hey, I resemble that remark. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #269

Oh, dear heavens, no. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #293

Thank fuck for that. opiate69 Oct 2016 #305

Usually it's longer, but we're just not able to keep it up. Dr. Strange Oct 2016 #309

Is it Ed Meese Commission / Ken Starr Report Appreciation Week? ZX86 Oct 2016 #276

EVERYONE WHO DOESNT AGREE WITH ED MEESE, RICK SANTORUM, AND THE GOP PLATFORM IS AN "MRA"!!!! Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #281

Trump approves many of the impassioned MRA responses in this thread. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #278

what the sam hell are you on about, now? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #280

You inferred so much that doesn't exist from a small statement. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #340

it took you a week to come back with ....that? Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #342

That's a monument - nt rumdude Oct 2016 #284

Agreed. Ellen Forradalom Oct 2016 #289

"a public health crisis that is destroying the life [sic] of millions" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #290

I'll give you the same advice I always give: NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #291

When did the left become neo-puritans? /nt Marr Oct 2016 #301

Unfortunately there is a long tradition of some on the left... NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #302

I think it's an increasingly outdated perspective, frankly. But.... DU skews older. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #310

Millennials also dont go to church as much. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #311

I think it's because of the polls that show they aren't crazy about Hillary, honestly. Marr Oct 2016 #312

Im sure thats part of it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #313

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #314

You know, the OP was written by a banned serial troll. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #315

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #316

My 'agenda'? It has to do with an international banking conspiracy Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #317

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #318

yeah Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #319

well, look at that, "name removed" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #320

I'm married and allowed to watch porn. I like porn where the women are either dominant... phleshdef Oct 2016 #324

Everyone. Its etymology makes that clear: WinkyDink Oct 2016 #330

that's why I prefer "smut" Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #333

Hehe... smut... opiate69 Oct 2016 #336

Looks more like Quetzlcoatl with a side of 72 hours of nightmarish hallucinations Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #337

One usually pays a bit more for that particular 'experience'.... (the degrading part) underahedgerow Oct 2016 #341

Exactly. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #343

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