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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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258. No worries

Fri Oct 28, 2016, 12:21 PM

Oct 2016

I've read a lot of this thread and I got the basic idea of your response. I just don't see that regulations on gunsmiths will have much if any effect on violence. The NICS needs attention and some federal funding to ease social burdens that lead to violence of all types will likely be more useful.

Weapons identified as 'assault weapons', especially rifles are used very little in crime. AWBs are a distraction and a waste of time and money. The point has been made by folks more articulate than I, that this idea is dud.

Side note: There are 2 different groups for discussions like this one under the Justice & Public Safety heading:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1167

I'm always learning stuff from fellow Democrats and I like this site a lot.
Have good day.

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Now we know why gun control has not been an issue for this election. [View all] hack89 Oct 2016 OP

I think many Americans have just given up any hope of sensible gun legislation. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #1

How would you "unskew" the poll? hack89 Oct 2016 #3

The questions asked evidently were very confusing, and this is based upon their own words. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #4

The question on whether assault weapons should be illegal is clear and unambiguous. hack89 Oct 2016 #5

Crickets Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #29

I suggest changing the words "semi-automatic" to sonething like "Military Style". napi21 Oct 2016 #40

So a ban based purely on cosmetic appearance? hack89 Oct 2016 #41

It would be wisw to put those specs in the law, but to try to be explicit enough when telling people napi21 Oct 2016 #44

Here is the problem in a nut shell hack89 Oct 2016 #46

LOL. beevul Oct 2016 #151

Bolt-action 5-round fixed capacity rifles are "Military Style". Currently in action aikoaiko Oct 2016 #356

Yep, my bolt action rifles Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #362

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #2

I think 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc' is more popular... LanternWaste Oct 2016 #6

ok. nt hack89 Oct 2016 #7

"propter", not "prompter" JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2016 #78

It's still an issue for Democrats! yallerdawg Oct 2016 #8

There certainly is widespread support for stronger background checks. hack89 Oct 2016 #9

You only want 'convicted' terrorists on the 'no fly list.' yallerdawg Oct 2016 #10

You want people to lose civil rights using secret government lists hack89 Oct 2016 #11

I don't believe my government is inherently abusive and corrupt. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #12

Due process is a constitutional right. It is never optional. hack89 Oct 2016 #13

If we ban an individual from getting on a plane... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #19

One is a constitutional right. One is not. hack89 Oct 2016 #21

If our government does a background check... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #27

No - due process says you can confront your accuser and have an impartial hearing hack89 Oct 2016 #31

Regarding gun purchasing, you are citing the Republican strategy. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #42

Got it. Unlimited government power to restrict civil rights because terra terra terra hack89 Oct 2016 #43

According to you... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #50

Do you understand how those lists are created? hack89 Oct 2016 #51

re: "What you can do if a mistake is made?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #56

Yes - I do. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #58

So you are good with anonymous bureaucrats having the power to restrict your civil rights? hack89 Oct 2016 #59

If you're not trying to kill and hurt me and my fellow human beings... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #62

No. You have to consent to it hack89 Oct 2016 #74

Wow, what spin. beevul Oct 2016 #110

It's very illuminating how the concern doesn't extend beyond firearms. Marengo Oct 2016 #114

Indeed it is. beevul Oct 2016 #120

How did you feel about the terra watchlist... beevul Oct 2016 #103

So Ted Kennedy should have been arrested, cuffed and perp walked oneshooter Oct 2016 #351

Should they also be prevented from obataining driver's licenses, and purchasing or renting... Marengo Oct 2016 #64

Yes indeed Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #66

Refusing to answer. I'm just SHOCKED I tells ya. Marengo Oct 2016 #116

We have to answer silly questions? yallerdawg Oct 2016 #123

Because Democrats Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #125

Unconditionally? yallerdawg Oct 2016 #127

Of course not Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #141

Isn't the support of a Bush era secret watch list "arguing with the Republicans"? Marengo Oct 2016 #150

Is denying someone not otherwise legally prohibited from purchasing a firearm... Marengo Oct 2016 #154

Apparently not in the case of persons placed on a secret list created by a crooked Republican Marengo Oct 2016 #159

Why do you support preventing persons on the no fly list from exercising their... Marengo Oct 2016 #139

And that person is never told and Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #142

Should I start counting? yallerdawg Oct 2016 #144

Now you are refusing to answer a gun control question? Isn't that the subject of this thread? Marengo Oct 2016 #153

There's three more right there! yallerdawg Oct 2016 #155

Such persistent dodging can only mean you can't answer. Unless you can explain otherwise, Marengo Oct 2016 #157

No questions. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #160

There are many questions waiting for you, questions relevant to the topics you chose... Marengo Oct 2016 #163

Oh, noz! Suspicions are mounting! stone space Oct 2016 #212

Oh, we're past mounting. Mine have been confirmed at his point. Marengo Oct 2016 #213

OH, MY GOD!!! THOSE MOUNTING SUSPICIONS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED!!! stone space Oct 2016 #360

Typical Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #162

It's comical, with that transparent behavior they expect to be regarded as credible. Marengo Oct 2016 #165

Converse among yourselves. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #167

Yeah, go ahead and wave it off. It's only your credibility that's in question here. Marengo Oct 2016 #169

Who are you to declare anybody's credibility in question? stone space Oct 2016 #205

Same as any person exercising Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #207

It's a declaration of the obvious, out there for anyone to see. Marengo Oct 2016 #209

Our Democratic candidate and Democratic Party platform... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #68

Only guns are used as weapons in terrorist attacks? Marengo Oct 2016 #70

I'm pretty certains guns are required... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #77

I'm pretty sure you are intentionally avoiding answering the question, as I'm pretty sure... Marengo Oct 2016 #83

Time for "Twenty Questions." yallerdawg Oct 2016 #87

How about just answering the question in post #64, or explaining why you can't or won't. Marengo Oct 2016 #104

Is every incident of gun violence an act of terrorism? Marengo Oct 2016 #75

The OP suggests "gun control" isn't an issue. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #81

I'll ask you again if persons on the no-fly list should be denied driver's licenses or the ability.. Marengo Oct 2016 #89

Sorry. yallerdawg Oct 2016 #91

Why not? All that's required is a simple yes or no. I should think it would be easy for you to... Marengo Oct 2016 #100

Scared as you know the logical answer for you Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #164

They nearly always run from that one, often conveniently hiding behind the same lame... Marengo Oct 2016 #172

So true Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #173

Knock it off. stone space Oct 2016 #206

Interesting. What about that statement compelled you to react this way? Marengo Oct 2016 #231

Typical for that poster Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #239

Is gun control the purpose of the no-fly list? Marengo Oct 2016 #107

FFS. One is a weapons designed to kill. The others, not so much. Fla Dem Oct 2016 #309

A Renault truck, used as a weapon in Nice, killed 86 and injured 434. An intentional act. Marengo Oct 2016 #331

Again, the truck was not manufactured for the purpose to kill. It was misused. Fla Dem Oct 2016 #333

And other means kill a lot more than do called assault weapons Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #335

Should a person on the no-fly list be permitted to purchase an AR-15? Marengo Oct 2016 #338

Did a good job Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #336

The 'no fly' list doesn't actually BAN anyone from getting on a plane. beevul Oct 2016 #99

Are guns the only weapons used by terrorists? Marengo Oct 2016 #111

Apparently for at least one here, lol Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #166

LOL! Since that one refuses to answer, it seems justifiable to say that could very well... Marengo Oct 2016 #168

What is it about lying that you find justifiable? stone space Oct 2016 #214

What was that posters answer? Marengo Oct 2016 #218

According to your post, you don't know. To say anything else would be a lie. stone space Oct 2016 #219

You apparently have difficulty with comprehension... Marengo Oct 2016 #221

You can try to justify it all you want. stone space Oct 2016 #223

It's not a matter of trying, it IS justified, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not. Marengo Oct 2016 #225

How is lying justified? stone space Oct 2016 #226

I wonder what is cause of your inaccurate characterization of my statement? Marengo Oct 2016 #228

That road sign up ahead!... You have just entered the Clams Casino Zone. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #264

Oh goodie! I LOVE Clams Casino! Marengo Oct 2016 #271

But beware the after effect! Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #273

"That posters answer" remains... yallerdawg Oct 2016 #222

LOL! No my friend, it's because you CAN'T answer. If I were not interested, why would I... Marengo Oct 2016 #224

Why do you go on and on? yallerdawg Oct 2016 #227

Curiosity, of course, which you keep alive every time you respond with a non-answer. Marengo Oct 2016 #230

On boredome:. Yet, you are here. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #354

You may not have noticed ... Straw Man Oct 2016 #233

That pipoman Oct 2016 #350

Obama had to use executive action because Congress is inept! Ken226 Oct 2016 #14

"Murder machines"? hack89 Oct 2016 #15

I'm talking about assault weapons. Ken226 Oct 2016 #18

Humor. Got it now. hack89 Oct 2016 #20

another chuckle discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #60

Jeeze Ken226 Oct 2016 #254

Thanks, I know exactly what ITAR covers discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #256

Ah, I see Ken226 Oct 2016 #257

No worries discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #258

Looks like the NRA won this one for a while. The violence just doesn't bother enough of us. Bucky Oct 2016 #16

I think the gun control focus on rifles made it easy for the NRA hack89 Oct 2016 #17

NRA = National Rapist Association / National Racist Association. stone space Oct 2016 #22

That's nice. nt hack89 Oct 2016 #23

No. Actually, it's not very nice at all. stone space Oct 2016 #24

I was just acknowledging your post hack89 Oct 2016 #25

A simple "that's deplorable" would have been a clearer indication that you actually read it. stone space Oct 2016 #26

Trying to keep things civil. nt hack89 Oct 2016 #28

Referring to those like the NRA who STILL support Trump as "deplorable" is not really uncivil. stone space Oct 2016 #32

Ok. But I didn't mention the NRA nor did I bring them into the conversation. nt hack89 Oct 2016 #34

Good thing Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #35

Ah, but that clams casino just keeps bursting forth. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #88

What's a "clams casino"? stone space Oct 2016 #96

If you are shocked to read "National Rapist Association" on DU, then don't post such! Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #101

Why does the NRA support sexual assualt? stone space Oct 2016 #122

The irony is that the NRA is airing a "shoot the rapist" ad aimed at women NickB79 Oct 2016 #143

Stone. Dodgeball is no longer recommended curriculum in elementary school. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #260

What is a "clams casino"? stone space Oct 2016 #261

Fishin' lately? Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #262

What is a "clams casino"? stone space Oct 2016 #263

Where you go to lose your paycheck, space! Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #265

NRA = Negotiate Rights Away. ileus Oct 2016 #137

I guess we just got used to a lot of dead schoolchildren. Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #30

The irony is that CT has what is considered a strong AWB hack89 Oct 2016 #33

Only for full automatics. How did Adam Lanza's mother get one if it is so strong? stone space Oct 2016 #36

Her rifle was perfectly legal in CT. It was even registered with the state. hack89 Oct 2016 #37

So much for "strong", huh? stone space Oct 2016 #38

It was held up as a model law by gun controllers. hack89 Oct 2016 #39

That weapon was fully assault weapon ban Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #67

That's easy gun-control is a loser discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #48

We need to educate the public more Jason1961 Oct 2016 #52

I very much doubt that hack89 Oct 2016 #53

re: "I'd be willing to bet...that we'll see a ban on...semi automatic firearms in my lifetime..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #54

About that Second Amendment discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #57

The public has been indoctrinated with decades of MSM gun-control agitprop... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #94

Won't happen Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #242

Background checks are what they should be pushing Calculating Oct 2016 #61

If less people are truly concerned about the proliferation of "assault" rifles and hatred in this Hoyt Oct 2016 #69

So many generalizations here Calculating Oct 2016 #109

Because there are a lot more photos of racists and losers walking around on streets parading Hoyt Oct 2016 #113

You have personally inspected the homes of all teachers, college professors, doctors,... Marengo Oct 2016 #119

I know gunners, been around them for most of my life. A bunch have become like me, can't stand Hoyt Oct 2016 #124

In other words, your answer is no. Moving on, you may now explain to me... Marengo Oct 2016 #145

I'm waiting for you to explain to me what my position on guns is. Marengo Oct 2016 #161

Your support for all things gunz is quite clear. I don't know your favorite toter,nor do I care. Hoyt Oct 2016 #179

I want to see that guess articulated in your next post, in detail. I want you to tell me... Marengo Oct 2016 #193

Still waiting for the details of that "guess"... Marengo Oct 2016 #232

Besides insults and personal attacks, it's all he has. Throd Oct 2016 #115

"Those" kind of people have every bit as much right to be in the street as you do. beevul Oct 2016 #118

No, Dylann Roof has NO right to be on our streets. stone space Oct 2016 #126

Unless someone has committed a crime and is incarcerated... beevul Oct 2016 #132

What do you have against calculus? I've never understood your obsession with calculus. stone space Oct 2016 #272

You appear to be weak in civics Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #278

There is no need for personal insults. stone space Oct 2016 #284

Not a personal insult, it is an opinion Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #285

It is a personal insult, and you are doubling down on the insult here. stone space Oct 2016 #294

I disagree, have a great day Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #296

It would appear that the poster believes calculous is a difficult and challenging field... SoCalDad Oct 2016 #340

But what does my profession have to do with anything? stone space Oct 2016 #344

I can not and will not tell you what you perceive... SoCalDad Oct 2016 #345

Your other post was about right Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #349

In my opinion, and it is just an opinion... SoCalDad Oct 2016 #359

I know it well, lol Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #361

No one has a right to walk around intimidating people with guns. Sorry, beevul. You might like to Hoyt Oct 2016 #129

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #134

Like I said, no one has the right to intimidate people with gunz, no matter how Hoyt Oct 2016 #136

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #148

Blame the victim. Nice. stone space Oct 2016 #138

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #147

Sorry, I'm not a hoplophobe Calculating Oct 2016 #182

Well, I'm not a gun fancier or humper, so I'm not fine with it. The fact they strap on a gun to go Hoyt Oct 2016 #238

The 64% that don't want a ban includes millions of Democratic Party voters Taitertots Oct 2016 #71

But a minority of Democrats. Hoyt Oct 2016 #130

lulz Rex Oct 2016 #84

Clinton is keeping a somewhat low profile on this issue. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2016 #92

People are starting to realize what it means to be progressive. ileus Oct 2016 #135

Pew Research Poll Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #171

The OP - one poll and "gun control" isn't an issue anymore! yallerdawg Oct 2016 #217

Ok we shall see Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #220

Yep, we shall see! kcr Oct 2016 #236

Melt 'em Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #174

Shoot 'em hack89 Oct 2016 #175

Shoot who? People like me? Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #176

Paper. In 35 years I have never shot a living thing. Nt hack89 Oct 2016 #177

That's what Zimmerman, Dunn, etc., said before they did what they had been training for. Hoyt Oct 2016 #184

That's nice Hoyt. hack89 Oct 2016 #187

Indeed Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #201

I agree Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #178

In the context of this thread I take that as a personal threat Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #192

Only if you are a paper plate Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #196

I mention "melt em", one of your brothers in gunloverville threats to shoot me and you chime in Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #199

So is the "em" in your post a person? Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #200

All the answers and all the cock-sure bravado Stinky The Clown Oct 2016 #203

No threat intended and I Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #204

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #229

Minding one's mouth. Straw Man Oct 2016 #235

Yep, pointed that out Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #240

Except that's not what happened. Straw Man Oct 2016 #234

It is exceedingly clear what was meant... SoCalDad Oct 2016 #320

He takes all things personally Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #321

Contortionist.. SoCalDad Oct 2016 #323

Indeed so Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #325

I have found Rio No. 8s in target load an inexpensive and effective choice... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #267

At least your "fun" argument holds up to scrutiny. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #181

Cartoons and comedians - the intellectual bedrock of gun control. Nt hack89 Oct 2016 #185

Some comedians make excellent points. Jon Stewart was another example. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #186

But most don't nt hack89 Oct 2016 #190

That's all they have Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #197

Heh-heh. Ever the case. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #268

All guns should be pink. JoePhilly Oct 2016 #183

They have this stuff call spray paint hack89 Oct 2016 #189

Na, make it a law. JoePhilly Oct 2016 #191

Right. Because as a nation we have fixed all the big problems. Nt hack89 Oct 2016 #195

Yes, right after the ammo tax. I mean, 236 stand-up comics can't be wrong. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #269

I heard that too, amazing stuff Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #198

Gallup Organization doesn't have much of credibility anymore rockfordfile Oct 2016 #208

Show me a poll where it is a high priority for voters hack89 Oct 2016 #210

Gun proponents deathrind Oct 2016 #211

I am for reasonable magazine limits Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #215

Arms = ammo hack89 Oct 2016 #216

One can still buy ammo. deathrind Oct 2016 #250

And the Supreme Court has already ruled on defacto bans hack89 Oct 2016 #251

Taxing does not appear to be anissue. deathrind Oct 2016 #253

Taxing at such a high rate to make ammo prohibitively expense is a huge issue hack89 Oct 2016 #255

Guns and ammo should be taxed to pay for the damage they do. stone space Oct 2016 #274

Same for alcohol? nt hack89 Oct 2016 #275

Write an OP about alchohol and find out. stone space Oct 2016 #276

Trying to determine if you are intellectually and morally consistent. hack89 Oct 2016 #277

What is the purpose of this personal attack? stone space Oct 2016 #307

hack89 hack89 Oct 2016 #311

Do you believe that making personal attacks bolsters your case for guns? stone space Oct 2016 #316

No. hack89 Oct 2016 #318

No I don't. Brutality is unnecessary, and blaming the victims for brutality is wrong. stone space Oct 2016 #322

The anti-gunners are the brutal ones hack89 Oct 2016 #324

Women have a right to an education without being brutalized by gun nuts. stone space Oct 2016 #326

What the hell are you talking about? Nt hack89 Oct 2016 #327

Did you even read the post you were replying to? stone space Oct 2016 #329

We are talking about incivility in DU gun threads hack89 Oct 2016 #330

He pivots when losing an argument, lol Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #337

Should students like Ana Lopez just get thicker skins when gun bullies brutalize them? stone space Oct 2016 #342

You keep saying she was brutalized SoCalDad Oct 2016 #347

After 7 posts, your defense of this snuff film video is noted. stone space Oct 2016 #369

Do you even know what a"snuff film" is? oneshooter Oct 2016 #370

Don't defend this terroristic gunlicking video. stone space Oct 2016 #371

I did not"defend" anything. oneshooter Oct 2016 #372

The victim described it as a snuff film. stone space Oct 2016 #373

If she was the "victum" of a "snuff film" then she would not be able to complain. oneshooter Oct 2016 #392

Do you think domestic terrorism is funny? stone space Oct 2016 #393

You really need to educate yourself on what you speak of. oneshooter Oct 2016 #395

Please elucidate... SoCalDad Oct 2016 #375

He will never apologize Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #377

Sorry, not playing, 9 post wonder. stone space Oct 2016 #378

You are certainly free to express whatever opinion you'd like SoCalDad Oct 2016 #380

Yep. And there are going to be a lot of suprises when we take back control. kcr Oct 2016 #237

Been hearing that for decades. Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #241

Things change. That you think you've been hearing something for decades doesn't change that. kcr Oct 2016 #243

I will thanks Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #244

We will never get rid of firearms. deathrind Oct 2016 #252

"being able to buy an item that allows a person to kill dozens of other people..." EX500rider Oct 2016 #280

.... kcr Oct 2016 #245

Gun control is an issue that has to be used judiciously hack89 Oct 2016 #247

Still missing the point! yallerdawg Oct 2016 #248

I agree to a point hack89 Oct 2016 #249

Concerning proposed bans on so-called "assault weapons:" Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #270

Well said Calculating Oct 2016 #279

Please do not compare trans folks with deadly weapons. stone space Oct 2016 #310

Thanks. This is cyclic history far too many fail to take into account. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #352

Anyone who thinks that has not been listening to Hillary. n/t Lucinda Oct 2016 #319

Liability Dr.Jones Oct 2016 #328

Good luck with that hack89 Oct 2016 #334

Are you sure? Dr.Jones Oct 2016 #339

It is now cut and dried in WA according to your link hack89 Oct 2016 #341

Not so fast Dr.Jones Oct 2016 #346

If we're just going by polling, most Americans favor marijuana legalization now. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #332

The current language is "keep weapons of war...off our streets" aikoaiko Oct 2016 #357

If the gun controllers were smart, they would pair a Toomey/Manchin style background check aikoaiko Oct 2016 #389

Blame the NRA. Jnew28 Nov 2016 #396

Some serious ignorance at that link. hack89 Nov 2016 #397

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