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Ron Obvious

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53. Copyright infringement is not stealing

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:01 PM

Jun 2012

Sorry, but I have to repeat that. If I make an illegal copy of a CD to give to a friend, I have not stolen anything. I have possibly deprived someone of a sale, but it's never been successfully demonstrated that it reduces sales. More copies, more exposure, more sales, and especially more concert tickets sold.

The illegal download == theft argument is a canard from the RIAA.

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Everyone who listens to music needs to READ THIS! [View all] Bennyboy Jun 2012 OP

Maybe each CD has 734 songs... ( n/t ) Make7 Jun 2012 #1

When I start seeing a widespread movement to force the labels to stop Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #2

What about the self produced albums? Bennyboy Jun 2012 #4

And are they no longer making their music? Have their fan bases shrunk? This is not about artists, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20

Funny but why have indy musicians all sent this to me today? Bennyboy Jun 2012 #27

thieves say and do anything to justify their behavior lol nt msongs Jun 2012 #30

Thieves need no justification. What is, is, and your options are to deal with it or pretend that it Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #57

What the labels do doesn't excuse her stealing 1,000 albums. That's moral relativism. kysrsoze Jun 2012 #5

No it doesn't, but it certainly does demonstrate the disingenuousness of the argument Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #16

As a copyright holder, I find your attitude to be... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #56

I was referring to the terminology Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #59

Making a digital copy of an existing recording, which may have taken literally... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #60

I'll try once more... Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #65

You are using false analogies to try and pathetically cover up your... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #69

This is a fascinating issue. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #77

I have no argument with what you say here... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #78

thanks for all your posts on this matter. zappaman Jun 2012 #81

Thanks, I appreciate that... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #83

In response to your mention of the record companies' loss of profits... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #62

I'm not saying I'm against copyright protection! Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #66

The problem is technology is making it hard to enforce copyright. Zalatix Jun 2012 #74

Good point, Zalatix... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #80

She no doubt gets a lot of courtesy albums and tracks. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #76

Read the article again taterguy Jun 2012 #8

No, it wasn't. It reprinted the same argument that they've been putting forth for years. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #21

Not all musicians have the ability to self produce albums the way Trent Reznor and Radiohead do. Initech Jun 2012 #9

And something in excess of 98% of all artists are never produced at all. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #23

Maybe she got them all from iTunes? GarroHorus Jun 2012 #3

That was my first thought too Poiuyt Jun 2012 #54

if she's a GM at a college radio station, those songs are likely promos. nashville_brook Jun 2012 #6

Ding ! KurtNYC Jun 2012 #37

I don't buy CD's Drale Jun 2012 #7

Unfortunately, there's no way to contain information Scootaloo Jun 2012 #10

Nothing wrong with Pandora subscriptions, and there are plenty of iTunes alternatives kysrsoze Jun 2012 #11

Yes, you could be wrong Scootaloo Jun 2012 #17

But you can't fight technology! What are we gonna do, go back to phonographs?? Zalatix Jun 2012 #64

Pretty much; There's a reason the Amish lifestyle is voluntary Scootaloo Jun 2012 #68

I was making fun of the "you can't stop technology" argument. Zalatix Jun 2012 #75

I remember when radio stations would broadcast the time that they were Jumping John Jun 2012 #12

They didn't mind for a few reasons onenote Jun 2012 #15

Actually, they did mind and they went to court and lost. Several times over 30 years. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #24

Back when cassette tapes were popular... GReedDiamond Jun 2012 #48

It amazes me when people n the DU think copying music is ok! But... Logical Jun 2012 #13

As someone who writes, records, produces, publishes on my own musiclawyer Jun 2012 #14

I've noticed a lot of artists uploading "bad" files to protect themselves just1voice Jun 2012 #19

We are on vacation in Hawaii marlakay Jun 2012 #22

Good for her for being frugal. Anything I can download, I do... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #18

Here are a couple of sites you may like: kentauros Jun 2012 #32

I frickin' LOVE WFMU. =D AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #35

If I could stream at work, kentauros Jun 2012 #46

Back in the golden age of the demo scene, I downloaded free "mod" songs. Zalatix Jun 2012 #67

I hadn't heard them before, kentauros Jun 2012 #70

My jaw has fallen and it can't get up! Zalatix Jun 2012 #71

I was just saying to myself kentauros Jun 2012 #73

You call stealing being frugal? That's an interesting take, no pun intended. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #39

I heard today that Metallica can not afford to quit touring sadbear Jun 2012 #25

Those guys have made a skillion dollars over a thirty year career. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #41

Either way sadbear Jun 2012 #43

I don't disagree, but I think that's the problem. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #44

I can appreciate your approach sadbear Jun 2012 #45

I guess that works for pop. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #47

I suppose we are talking apples and oranges then sadbear Jun 2012 #51

Not as much, I don't think. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #55

I spend at least a thousand bucks a year on music high density Jun 2012 #26

Considering her job, i'd say she got a lot of promo copies. hobbit709 Jun 2012 #28

pirating music is cool and fun BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #29

Has anyone ever heard of promos and giveaways? MrScorpio Jun 2012 #31

We both know the truth you speak. kentauros Jun 2012 #33

I forgot to mention Bandcamp MrScorpio Jun 2012 #50

He wrote her at NPR to clarify that. Festivito Jun 2012 #38

I actually thought this article was decently thought out for the most part, but....... AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #34

What I didn't see or saw little of jp11 Jun 2012 #36

For those who don't know... Bennyboy Jun 2012 #40

If you want to support your favorite band GO SEE THEM LIVE. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #42

This. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #49

That's a nice sentiment BUT, Bennyboy Jun 2012 #61

For 30 Years I Never Paid For A CD or LP... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #52

And the scumbag RIAA will sue her for eight zillion dollars. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #58

And the RIAA will probably crucify her for umpty billion dollars Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #63

I can remember Go Vols Jun 2012 #72

To speak like a "grumpy old fart" MicaelS Jun 2012 #79

I'd never download songs JonLP24 Jun 2012 #82

Another take.....(great response to the response to the response) Bennyboy Jun 2012 #84

This shows the old business models the MAFIAA are trying to shove down our throats just don't work. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #85