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142. "This isn't about women's reproductive health at all! "

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:14 PM

Jun 2012

This OP wasn't about abortion in general. Or women's health. It was about the response this one woman received for arguing against limiting abortions.

Do you see how you moved the goalposts?

If this was a thread about abortions I would be talking about abortions. Instead it's a thread about what happened to this woman. So I'm talking about what happened to this woman.

You are the one derailing things.

I have pointed out my support for abortions numerous times (after being accused of being against them, not because it was relevant). But still you persist in this delusion because essentially you have realized that every legitimate point I've actually made you are unable to refute. So you're going for points that I in fact never made.

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Nice Girls Don't Say 'Vagina' -- What The Rep. Lisa Brown Controversy Is Really About [View all] Purveyor Jun 2012 OP

It a taboo, is what it is, a forbidden subject. bemildred Jun 2012 #1

If the subject had been viagra and the roles reversed TBMASE Jun 2012 #2

A male co-worker saying to female co-workers 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #3

This isn't a hypothetical situation. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #17

Let's look at this the other way 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #24

Why are you defending what the legislators Cerridwen Jun 2012 #31

And that's ultimately how these arguments always end up 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #35

Too bad you don't hold her co-workers to the same standard. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #42

What are you talking about? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #65

You don't seem to understand what abusive Cerridwen Jun 2012 #76

Saying a rape accusation is inappropriate 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #78

Nice twist. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #80

You're just all over the place 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #81

Trying to keep up with your moving goalposts. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #85

Moving goalposts? I Don't think you know what that phrase means 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #90

As you began your play here Tsiyu Jun 2012 #100

. . . 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #111

What exactly is the problem with a veiled rape reference in this case? antigone382 Jun 2012 #118

Very, very good point Tsiyu Jun 2012 #120

This is a particularly interesting response 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #124

I did not argue two contradictory conclusions at the same time. antigone382 Jun 2012 #141

Good question 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #150

Would the left be willing or able to eject that speaker from the floor, however? antigone382 Jun 2012 #169

Really it depends on the state 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #171

You aren't helping yourself at all Tsiyu Jun 2012 #119

This is getting repetitive 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #125

We are always legends Tsiyu Jun 2012 #131

In this case it's true 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #132

you are trying to justify the censure of a female legislator Tsiyu Jun 2012 #136

No, I was pointing out the characterization that she was punished 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #138

Most of us here at DU get nuance Tsiyu Jun 2012 #140

" I think we all know that no matter what the female legislator said, she would have been censured" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #145

Again, fuck off Tsiyu Jun 2012 #147

You respond to me then say fuck off then respond then say fuck off 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #153

want me to say it again? n/t Tsiyu Jun 2012 #155

No please! I can't handle another! 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #162

It is about her body. It is about every woman's body. And that charge of implying rape Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #47

"no means no" TBMASE Jun 2012 #51

No, that is a clear statement of fact. No does mean no in every case, the implication Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #69

In the context she said it, it's more closely affiliated with date rape TBMASE Jun 2012 #72

No, it isn't. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #83

Who was interested in her vagina? TBMASE Jun 2012 #86

Apparently you are. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #91

yeah, and I don't take no as an answer either TBMASE Jun 2012 #93

Which part are you denying? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #68

See above reply, no does mean no, the implication being pushed is a fabrication. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #75

So "no means no" in this context refers to . . . 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #79

It is a three word sentence. What are you finding so difficult to understand? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #89

"No, this legislation is wrong." 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #92

And like the other guy determined to push this false premise in this thread, the only implication of Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #94

Just to go on record, you are stating 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #110

You are the only one arguing the absurd in this thread Tsiyu Jun 2012 #127

Since you chose to respond 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #128

Who the fuck cares but you? Tsiyu Jun 2012 #135

Because it is the entirety of what people are disagreeing with me on 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #137

Your intital post was about a male raising the issue of his penis Tsiyu Jun 2012 #143

My first post was pointing out that this wasn't about 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #148

And I'm sorry if you don't understand Tsiyu Jun 2012 #151

None of those accusations hold water 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #154

Just one more thing. Upthread you said Tsiyu Jun 2012 #157

You start with a conclusion 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #164

You're just making up excuses. Sans__Culottes Jun 2012 #108

"You're just making up excuses." 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #112

If you had a vagina, you would find even "veiled rape talk" Tsiyu Jun 2012 #121

There it is again 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #126

You are the only one confused here Tsiyu Jun 2012 #130

So it goes from "it wasn't X" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #134

I'm going by your many posts on this thread Tsiyu Jun 2012 #139

"This isn't about women's reproductive health at all! " 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #142

Fuck off Tsiyu Jun 2012 #144

There you go 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #146

You're obtuse Tsiyu Jun 2012 #149

You don't know what words mean 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #152

Ladies and Gentlemen, I rest my case. Tsiyu Jun 2012 #156

You make a number of direct attacks on my personally 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #161

That was your case? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #163

I don't believe you. Sans__Culottes Jun 2012 #166

You've very well summarized this poster's intent. PotatoChip Jun 2012 #172

Thanks for the welcome! Sans__Culottes Jun 2012 #175

Thanks for the prop & the welcome! Sans__Culottes Jun 2012 #176

She is not passing a law about his penis. bemildred Jun 2012 #4

Really? It was about HER vagina? TBMASE Jun 2012 #5

Do you favor legal restrictions on access to abortion? bemildred Jun 2012 #6

No. However I do favor a civil debate on the issue among legislators TBMASE Jun 2012 #7

You stick with that argument. bemildred Jun 2012 #8

I think you're in the wrong place Taverner Jun 2012 #60

Is it because I expect legislators to behave like adults TBMASE Jun 2012 #66

Vagina is a "civil" word. It is used in sex education classes all over this country. kiranon Jun 2012 #98

We're still pretending she just said the word vagina TBMASE Jun 2012 #99

Of course it was about her vagina. aquart Jun 2012 #133

Bullshit. ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #11

Had a man said to his female counterparts TBMASE Jun 2012 #12

do you not know where babies come from? ejpoeta Jun 2012 #14

Had she said Uterus, I wouldn't have commented TBMASE Jun 2012 #19

it is about women and their reproductive organs. it doesn't have to be about hers specifically. ejpoeta Jun 2012 #29

If it were a discussion about the rights of the father TBMASE Jun 2012 #39

i see what you are doing there from your responses to me and others. ejpoeta Jun 2012 #43

And if another congressman calls her a whore, based on the beliefs of his constituency TBMASE Jun 2012 #50

The other congressmen did even worse Tsiyu Jun 2012 #129

Ultrasound. nt bemildred Jun 2012 #21

Ultrasounds are given as a matter of practice TBMASE Jun 2012 #27

Thanks for clearing that up. Definitely seems to involve the vagina. bemildred Jun 2012 #37

So does an OB/GYN visit TBMASE Jun 2012 #40

What's inappropriate is censoring a legislator in the legislature, bemildred Jun 2012 #45

Soooo, if the opposition called her a whore TBMASE Jun 2012 #48

They did censor her and call her names, that's what this is about. bemildred Jun 2012 #52

Did they call her a whore on the floor of the legislature? TBMASE Jun 2012 #54

Quit trying to change the conversation. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #58

I'm not defending anyone TBMASE Jun 2012 #62

They went after a Democrat. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #67

This guy says it better than I do TBMASE Jun 2012 #70

No he didn't. He's doing the same Cerridwen Jun 2012 #71

Then, you're saying TBMASE Jun 2012 #73

I'm saying women are under attack. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #77

I'm asking you to think about what you're saying TBMASE Jun 2012 #82

She was not propositioning anybody. bemildred Jun 2012 #84

Again with the hypothetical. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #88

How would I know? Why would I care? bemildred Jun 2012 #64

The subject was abortion. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #15

And you know this to be true...How? Bandit Jun 2012 #16

Was she simply referring to a vagina in general 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #22

You are correct in your thinking TBMASE Jun 2012 #25

Why? Tsiyu Jun 2012 #122

Would she feel threatened her co-worker said he was flattered by her interest in his penis TBMASE Jun 2012 #23

You make no sense whatsoever leftynyc Jun 2012 #49

Planned Parenthood and their associates TBMASE Jun 2012 #53

Your numbers are lies leftynyc Jun 2012 #107

I didn't say 90% of all abortions require it TBMASE Jun 2012 #109

This is EXACTLY what you ssaid leftynyc Jun 2012 #114

Once again, go get someone to help you read it TBMASE Jun 2012 #115

NO THEY DONT leftynyc Jun 2012 #116

I'm not spreading any lies TBMASE Jun 2012 #117

You simply cannot read leftynyc Jun 2012 #158

Argue with Planned Parenthood Virginia on this TBMASE Jun 2012 #159

What's with the lying? leftynyc Jun 2012 #160

Like I said, argue with Planned Parenthood TBMASE Jun 2012 #165

Right wing source (it figures) leftynyc Jun 2012 #168

So now the representative from Planned Parenthood is lying TBMASE Jun 2012 #170

You do realize that Adrienne Schreiber PotatoChip Jun 2012 #173

I grabbed the first article that came up in a google search TBMASE Jun 2012 #174

Just keep flinging it, I'm sure something will stick. This argument is absurd, you begin with a Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #33

then you believe her coworkers had interest in her vagina TBMASE Jun 2012 #44

Again with the false premise -> false equivalency -> straw man. You have no argument, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #55

The false premise was her assuming there was interest in her vagina TBMASE Jun 2012 #57

Continually restating your fallacy will never change reality. This tactic doesn't work on Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #63

whatever TBMASE Jun 2012 #74

Bull. You're just making things up. nolabear Jun 2012 #34

The fantasy began when she decided that her coworkers had interest in her vagina TBMASE Jun 2012 #41

So their anti-woman legislation is all just fantasy? Tsiyu Jun 2012 #123

"Vagina. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable and they find it difficult to say." Initech Jun 2012 #13

Some men are so sensitive, they get all testerical when you say crude things to them. nt bemildred Jun 2012 #18

Those are the men that inevitably go totally limp from the devastating testeria the word invokes! Zorra Jun 2012 #30

Nice turn of phrase! Is that original? Mind if I steal it? nolabear Jun 2012 #36

Seems unlikely to be original, but if it is, I place it in the public domain. nt bemildred Jun 2012 #38

It's actually been around for quite awhile. nt Zorra Jun 2012 #46

How long until the conservatives in MI make it a misdemeanor to say "vulva" or "clitoris" Zorra Jun 2012 #9

So we should say cunt, bush, squirrel?? ananda Jun 2012 #10

uterus is the word the woman was looking for. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #32

The reporting of this is disturbing as well DearAbby Jun 2012 #20

No, you got it. I guess the title writer didn't Cerridwen Jun 2012 #26

What are "Nice Girls" and what do they call a vagina? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #28

Lady parts or... WCGreen Jun 2012 #56

I guess TV news has turned my 7 year old nieces into bad girls. dkf Jun 2012 #113

Looks like we have a couple repub sympathizers Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #59

Defending attacks on Democrats. n/t Cerridwen Jun 2012 #61

In January, the former Michigan Republican Party Executive Director sufrommich Jun 2012 #87

"The Worst Attack on Women's Health in Michigan History" Cerridwen Jun 2012 #95

It is sickening Tsiyu Jun 2012 #101

It is. Criminal. Cerridwen Jun 2012 #104

Thank you Cerridwen Tsiyu Jun 2012 #105

:) Cerridwen Jun 2012 #106

"NO MEANS NO" is the (new) real reason, not vagina. Festivito Jun 2012 #96

I think the reading started at 6:00, it's 6:40 sufrommich Jun 2012 #97

That sounds like THE party tonight. Festivito Jun 2012 #102

lol, it looks like it would have been a blast! nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #103

Nice girls don't talk back to men, their natural superiors Retrograde Jun 2012 #167

"Nice girls" or any other women say what the fuck they want. flvegan Jun 2012 #177