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WinstonSmith4740

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35. Absolutely right!

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:09 PM

Jun 2012

Howard Dean SHOULD be the Surgeon General right now...his 50 State Strategy is the big reason Republicans had to spend money in states they normally didn't have to worry about in 2008. However, he basically crossed swords with Rahm Emanuel, who spent most of his career pulling Democrats to the right, and creating the "Republican Lite" candidate. I understood that Obama wanted (and needed) that "pit bull" mentality as his Chief of Staff, but I really think that's when things started to crumble. I don't think we were even out of January 2009 when Emanuel threw the public option under the bus. He was on TV saying that the public option was not absolutely necessary in the health care bill. When you've got someone like that deciding who gets in to see the President, then all he gonna hear is conservative leaning rhetoric.

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Gov Dean: No More Electing Dems who behave like Republicans- That's how we lost public option [View all] kpete Jun 2012 OP

Then stage a coup, Dean, and take back America Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #1

Unfortunately, the Third Way/Blue Dogs own the "not as bad" tent. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #3

Anyone else notice the repeated new talking point in this thread? newthinking Jun 2012 #63

You tell me where they can get elected, and I'll support them. brooklynite Jun 2012 #2

They maybe can get elected Zorra Jun 2012 #8

District where I grew up voted Democratic most of the time. ieoeja Jun 2012 #18

Because getting 50% of what I want is better than getting 0%... brooklynite Jun 2012 #34

You do realize that Republicans vote with Democrats over 50% of the time, don't you? ieoeja Jun 2012 #36

Total agreement. kenfrequed Jun 2012 #101

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #58

The Problem With Electing Democrats Who Vote With Republicans... OneAngryDemocrat Jun 2012 #72

Yep, it's real easy to say that from the NE region loyalsister Jun 2012 #78

A FireBreathing Populist Democrat (a la Huey Long), who: bvar22 Jun 2012 #93

He was on Big Eddie last night montanacowboy Jun 2012 #4

Unfortunately, Obama campaign was part of the ignoring of all of Dean's hard work and efforts. northoftheborder Jun 2012 #7

Wrong! The 50 State Strategy was Dean's and Obama worked that strategy to our advantage Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #14

^^This^^ Raine1967 Jun 2012 #29

What he has to admit is that the flaw in his strategy was in not working to reform the party's Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #38

Neither Dean nor Obama have admitted it, though. I love Howard Dean but I don't know how Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #45

I don't agree. Progressive Democrats are plentiful in even the reddest of states, they are just Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #51

Plus "more conservative" doesn't have to mean RINO nxylas Jun 2012 #81

Exactly The constant drum-beat of lies we are subjected to gets tiresome. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #82

I actually agree with you on this. But the great progressives that are available typically Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #105

Absolutely right! WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2012 #35

Yes, and that's one of my least favorite things about this administration. whathehell Jun 2012 #57

Excuse me but it was Obama who dumped Dean. That's when I knew we were in for a very tough ride. Citizen Worker Jun 2012 #59

Agree. Everyone went running, and he was the best momentum we'd had! October Jun 2012 #91

kick for truth Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #5

Thanks, Dr. Dean! More DFA action! freshwest Jun 2012 #6

As long as their vote doesn't make a difference they vote liberal, when it will make a difference nineteen50 Jun 2012 #9

He's right. Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #10

It would have been a whole different thing if was Dean instead of Kary zeemike Jun 2012 #15

We'll never know Bluzmann57 Jun 2012 #92

Dems took a strong Right turn with Clinton's election, not after *. ieoeja Jun 2012 #23

He was caught in a sunami of "let's stay in the middle, russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #11

though if you read the whole article, it's just another case of "using activist and lefty language MisterP Jun 2012 #12

The fact of the matter is that democrats are allowed to vote for who they want in... hrmjustin Jun 2012 #13

Yep! Thanks! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #16

Republican gerrymandering is a big problem too. Republicans used it to sufrommich Jun 2012 #20

Corporate money is not used in the primaries? Diebold is not used in the primaries? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #31

Thats not really true. bvar22 Jun 2012 #97

You have a point there. hrmjustin Jun 2012 #99

A Fire Breathing Democratic Populist (a la Huey Long) can get elected in ANY Red State. bvar22 Jun 2012 #100

A bully statement...congrats Howard... HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #17

So, is he repudiating his 50 State Strategy, which caused the election of many moderate Democrats? Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #19

Nah, he's probably calling on constituents to elect people who won't stab a Democratic president Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2012 #60

I know one thing: Republicans hate and fear Dean Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #85

Where is this "talking point" attack coming from??????? newthinking Jun 2012 #67

But then there would have been no health care plan at all treestar Jun 2012 #21

It was Dean's 50-State Strategy that helped us (finally!) regain Congress in 2006 Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #22

I'm thinking he made mistakes in execution. ieoeja Jun 2012 #26

I think that Dean had the right idea Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #28

Absolutely agree. But we shouldn't just support anybody who claims to be a Democrat. ieoeja Jun 2012 #32

Agreed Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #55

What? "Blue Dogs" are not a phenomenon of the 50 state strategy newthinking Jun 2012 #77

Now, that's what I'm talking about! mazzarro Jun 2012 #24

Find better Democrats ProSense Jun 2012 #25

+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #30

Damn straight catbyte Jun 2012 #27

Words are cheap Cary Jun 2012 #33

Dr. Dean speaks for me! knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #37

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #39

Uncle Joe kpete Jun 2012 #70

kpete Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #90

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #40

Thank you, Howard Dean! woo me with science Jun 2012 #41

That's also how we lost Wisconsin against Scott Walker. MrTwister Jun 2012 #42

Dean in 2016 tru Jun 2012 #43

Yes!!!!! proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #44

the doctor speaks for me, as well. nashville_brook Jun 2012 #46

Odd remarks coming from someone One of the 99 Jun 2012 #47

Huge K&R MissDeeds Jun 2012 #48

And that's why they got rid of him. progressoid Jun 2012 #49

So, will Dr. Dean be personally bankrolling all the Dems who have to compete with SuperPac McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #50

Perhaps the Koch brothers and their ilk will get Dems to finally support public financing... flpoljunkie Jun 2012 #84

A good sound bite, but it's naive. It's either Blue Dogs or Repubs in certain places. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #52

Wasn't it Dr. Dean's 50 State strategy... SidDithers Jun 2012 #53

2010? I'd still be glad to see them out on their asses in 2012 or 2014... Chan790 Jun 2012 #62

yes Sid, yes it was... dionysus Jun 2012 #65

And you determined this how? newthinking Jun 2012 #68

You know that there was a plan called "The 50 State Strategy"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #73

Good links by the way newthinking Jun 2012 #76

Neither have I, but they're all over this thread with the claim. Marr Jun 2012 #104

Yes, but they aren't the problem jeff47 Jun 2012 #89

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2012 #54

K & R Blue Owl Jun 2012 #56

Gov. Dean is walking a fine line. PufPuf23 Jun 2012 #61

He is so right!!! ELI BOY 1950 Jun 2012 #64

Dean and Edwards, Edwards and Dean... 2016! nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #66

Elizabeth Edwards? sakabatou Jun 2012 #75

The New Democratic Coalition herberto55 Jun 2012 #69

There are so few Dem leaders speaking like he does Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #71

with all due respect DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #83

+1 joshcryer Jun 2012 #74

Blue dog's run Denver donheld Jun 2012 #79

Given the district, are there credible progressive alternatives? eridani Jun 2012 #80

"lesserthantwoevilism" will destroy this country datasuspect Jun 2012 #86

Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Janice7 Jun 2012 #87

Blue Dog Dems too often would be Republicans IF emsimon33 Jun 2012 #88

K&R raouldukelives Jun 2012 #94

Harry was right THEN, bvar22 Jun 2012 #95

Harry was a wise man! Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2012 #102

re: Gov Dean: No More Electing Dems who behave like Republicans- That's how we lost public option clang1 Jun 2012 #96

Right. The fight is in the primary, liberals, not the election. After the primary, fall in line. davidwparker Jun 2012 #98

If only it were THAT simple. bvar22 Jun 2012 #106

No, you did everything right. All of us need to do the same thing. Your post is timely, davidwparker Jun 2012 #111

We got rid of a lot of them B Calm Jun 2012 #103

I'll vote Dem but I will be wearing a military industrial gas mask when I do it. L0oniX Jun 2012 #107

Yep. K&R n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2012 #108

Sorry, Doc, but your Congressional strategy is largely responsible for that. Arkana Jun 2012 #109

kick! Quantess Jun 2012 #110

I don't vote for Republicans..even if they have a (D) after their names. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #112