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HooptieWagon

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82. So we wait until a war occurs to build subs and train submariners?

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:20 PM

Jun 2012

Any boat that isn't in use deteriorates much faster than a boat in use. So if the LAs are mothballed, leaving the US with only 10 subs in service, your plan if China were to happen to attack, is to clean up and recondition a bunch of subs built with 60s technology, train crews, and send them to sea? That would be like waiting until Pearl Harbor happened before training pilots, and then sending them up in biplanes.
Look, Im just as mad about Bush's military adventurism as anyone... the lives and money thrown away. And certainly the military procurement system is fraught with corruption and cronyism, and needs to be reformed. But the answer is not to have the military stand down and cease training, operations, and modernization when not at war. That would leave us totally unprepared if war did break out. Some of you people are completely clueless.

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We have 42 active Los Angles class hunter-killer submarines [View all] DainBramaged Jun 2012 OP

GE/General Electric - We Bring Good Things To Life ...blah blah blah L0oniX Jun 2012 #1

42 subs for approx. 138 million square miles of ocean? PavePusher Jun 2012 #2

Agreed. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #7

Censored UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #33

I think you've read one too many Tom Clancy novels. Pro tip: the Red Navy is defunct. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #73

Do you know what Putin is planning for in 10 years? HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #74

Yeah, it's just 1962 all over again, ain't it? apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #75

You want the Navy to return to coal-powered battleships? HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #77

You always whittle away the afternoons putting words in other poster's mouths? apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #79

How many submarines do you think the US needs? HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #80

How many raging wars you got going on with naval powerhouses at the moment? apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #81

So we wait until a war occurs to build subs and train submariners? HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #82

Once again, putting words in another poster's mouth & bizarre scenarios full of "ifs" and apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #84

Since you refuse to answer how many we do need... HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #86

I have "refused" no such thing - you either failed to read what I wrote, or are incapable apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #87

We may only imagine you have full knowledge of precisely how many the US needs, then? LanternWaste Jun 2012 #109

The number needed is fairly easy to estimate, HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #113

I believe that you want to take the military oneshooter Jun 2012 #88

I don't really care what you believe, oneshooter. But thanks for sharing. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #89

There are many on this forum who would like to do just that. Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #90

Agreed. The way to keep servicepeeps effective and safe... HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #92

I imagine that number is only exceeded by those who believe the US should spend more on its militar LanternWaste Jun 2012 #110

Obviously there is a big problem with the procurement system. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #114

Are you seriously asserting that there aren't many on this forum who would like to see Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #116

I don't doubt that many would like to see the military budget cut 50%. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #118

Does it need them in wartime? FrodosPet Jun 2012 #107

You can't build them in days. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #115

I have to laugh when I see people argue that we should wait until we're in a major war before Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #117

Censored. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #29

Brad, what's the point of posting people's profile info? dionysus Jun 2012 #49

9 hidden posts, 17 ignoring, 1200 Meta posts in 90 days. Robb Jun 2012 #51

17 ignoring is baby shit compared to one I saw the other day with 62 ignoring. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #54

1200? Oy. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #56

1200 Meta posts? Huh? Where do you see that? PavePusher Jun 2012 #57

In the other poster's profile. LOL Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #62

Ah, thank you. PavePusher Jun 2012 #63

it was a rhetorical question, Mr Dingbat dionysus Jun 2012 #65

You never know when the Germans will invade. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #3

They might attack Pearl Harbor again! 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #4

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DainBramaged Jun 2012 #9

How many attach subs should the U.S. have? n/t guardian Jun 2012 #5

That number will rapidly shrink hack89 Jun 2012 #6

To protect us from the mighty Taliban navy's aircraft carriers and nuclear subs. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #8

And China? What a joke. FrodosPet Jun 2012 #108

Not to mention resurgent Andorra and Mighty Lichtenstein. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #111

Mencken is a goldmine of quotes FrodosPet Jun 2012 #112

By my rough count, HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #10

The MIC bongbong Jun 2012 #11

You don't think there are any Democrats employed in sub-building yards... PavePusher Jun 2012 #14

With that I agree. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #30

My Comment bongbong Jun 2012 #103

the vast majority of Submarines built in America are built by Electric Boat in Groton, CT KatChatter Jun 2012 #25

Yes, but .... bongbong Jun 2012 #104

WHEN (not if) our war with China kicks off I want those subs to be on the Chinese subs..... Cronkite Jun 2012 #12

I would prefer not to be nuclearized by a Chinese sub launched ballistic rocket DainBramaged Jun 2012 #16

I was being somewhat sarcastic..... Cronkite Jun 2012 #41

Why would China go to war with a country that UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #31

It seems unlikely right now.... Cronkite Jun 2012 #42

We have enough nuclear weapons to blow up any country many times over. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #45

Really? The US was attacked only 11 years ago... HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #47

Yeah, a lot of good those subs did us "11 years ago" Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #48

Various weapons have different areas of application. PavePusher Jun 2012 #58

Take that up with the other poster. He brought that up referencing subs/911 Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #61

If you can accurately predict the date and nature of the next attack, HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #68

Because submarines Sgent Jun 2012 #13

There are 52 attack subs in active service Lurks Often Jun 2012 #15

Why are we the sea police? DainBramaged Jun 2012 #17

Because the US economy depends on it? hack89 Jun 2012 #46

Many of us have explained Lurks Often Jun 2012 #66

We had twice as many subs pre-WW2 as now. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #69

Because Namor is unstable. athenasatanjesus Jun 2012 #18

I've been railing about this forever Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #19

They have to practice how they Meiko Jun 2012 #21

Against WHO??? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #22

The number of subs we have Meiko Jun 2012 #23

We don't need enough to fight WWIII. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #24

I would hardly call it crap Meiko Jun 2012 #37

If we are going to do humanitarian stuff Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #71

The peace corps Meiko Jun 2012 #95

It could be Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #97

So what you want is a total Meiko Jun 2012 #99

LOL! Do you honestly believe some tinpot Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #105

The fastest way to get help to a disaster area is by sea oneshooter Jun 2012 #101

It could if we cared. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #106

DUzy, right there. PavePusher Jun 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #32

Another what? Meiko Jun 2012 #34

The same reason I have a lottery ticket in my pocket Neue Regel Jun 2012 #20

Are they still hunting AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #26

That was a pretty good movie Meiko Jun 2012 #36

Yes!! AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Meiko Jun 2012 #50

Ah yes Meiko Jun 2012 #52

And women aren't allowed to serve on any of them me b zola Jun 2012 #27

Actually in 2005, the year my son graduated from the Naval Academy rl6214 Jun 2012 #28

Correct Meiko Jun 2012 #35

Wrong, women now serve on subs nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #44

Excellent question for which there is no good answer. OTOH, there are many other worse wastes Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #39

The LAs are late 60s design and technology. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #76

All true. What is not usually discussed, and which applies across all of the services, is the fact Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #83

The newest LAs were built in 1996. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #94

This post is about the attack boats and that's why I limited my comment to them. I think you missed Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #98

I just love that this thread referenced not only Namor, but also R'lyeh, Innsmouth, and Deep Ones. Codeine Jun 2012 #40

How new is the LA Class, even the newest one? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #43

The last one was launched in 1996. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #55

The Brit's carriers don't really compare the USN super carriers though, do they? octothorpe Jun 2012 #59

They are, last story I read they could not afford them nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #78

A thoughtful rational post, as usual. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #70

History, Commerce and Economics One_Life_To_Give Jun 2012 #53

And 50 million Americans without access to affordable healthcare. - n/t coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #64

The lack of healthcare is NOT due to too many subs. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #72

Because 41 wouldn't cut it. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #67

Several answers. They are a multiuse platform stevenleser Jun 2012 #85

LOL taterguy Jun 2012 #91

LOL @#4 KatChatter Jun 2012 #93

Subs aren't very good at boarding and inspecting cargo taterguy Jun 2012 #100

But other tools are not appropriate, because you need several different tools. Thats the point stevenleser Jun 2012 #102

Think they could spare one for me? nt MightyOkie Jun 2012 #96