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guillaumeb

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13. The working poor are victimized by manufacturers who move plants, and Walmart,

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:47 PM

Nov 2016

which pays a non-living wage to the same working poor. A self-sustaining system that relies on wage stagnation and consumer debt.

Agreed that the Chinese do manipulate their currency, but other Eastern countries also impose tariffs on US products. South Korea sells many cars here but US manufacturers face huge obstacles to selling cars in S. Korea.

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I know most people here hate the TPP, but... [View all] TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 OP

There is free trade and there is fair trade. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #1

How does it help us with all these Pacific nations cutting deals with China? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #4

My view is that the TPP was designed specifically to counteract Chinese influence. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #5

Precisely. The TPP was designed to prevent China from being a hegemon in Asia. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #6

So it is better to replace a Chinese hegemon with a US hegemon? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #9

China shouldn't be able to manipulate their currency... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #11

The working poor are victimized by manufacturers who move plants, and Walmart, guillaumeb Nov 2016 #13

So Working Class Joe DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #16

I am a rarity. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #19

It is not like they allow us to sell product in their countries... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #14

Korean and Japanese cars are not less expensive than their American counterparts DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #15

They sell cars in their countries for more money and lower the prices here. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #26

He's in great debt to China and I'm certain he's going to try and leverage it- sinking the TPP might bettyellen Nov 2016 #2

That sounds about right! flamingdem Nov 2016 #7

He's got millions of dollars of debt in both China and Russia and now tells us he will stop signing bettyellen Nov 2016 #10

first the ENTIRE thing needs to be published on the internet, including any secret components. msongs Nov 2016 #3

I am no international trade agreement expert ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #8

NAFTA is for North America Free Trade Agreement IINM uponit7771 Nov 2016 #36

The TPP is a very bad trade agreement. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #12

Not this junk again. Parties to 3000 trade agreements since 1959 could sue localities, nothing new. Hoyt Nov 2016 #30

I don't hate the TPP. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #17

Big mistake. Basically it's a trade agreement meaning it lowers tariffs on US goods. ucrdem Nov 2016 #18

It's a losing argument. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #20

Yep. ucrdem Nov 2016 #21

As a liberal in a very blue state that depends heavily on trade... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #22

Apples, salmon, honey, ucrdem Nov 2016 #23

See Post 24 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #25

I am not an expert but that is why Governor Brown is very quiet on TPP DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #24

Yeah it became a red-hot potato ucrdem Nov 2016 #27

Trump won't do half the crap he says he is going to do. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #31

The day will come where we will realize we shouldn't have trashed the TPP. Countries like Canada and Hoyt Nov 2016 #28

TPP has already been withdrawn Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #29

It's good to see some folks recognizing trade is important to us. But, weren't many here Hoyt Nov 2016 #32

The irony is that Trump buys so much crap from China from steel to sheets to ties. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #33

People were so blinded by his -- and their -- racism/hatred that they never saw the irony. Hoyt Nov 2016 #34

Nor did it bother them he used Mafia quickcrete DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #35

Trumps owes China 650 million dollars. I am sure that played no part still_one Nov 2016 #39

For all its faults, and they were many, TPP did at least constrain China Bucky Nov 2016 #37

What it means is that China and India will dominate. Congress never approved it so still_one Nov 2016 #38