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ucrdem

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27. Yeah it became a red-hot potato

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:24 PM

Nov 2016

thanks to Jules and friends and that's a shame. It would have turbo-charged the economy right when we needed it in November and you know the VRWC wasn't about to let that go down.

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I know most people here hate the TPP, but... [View all] TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 OP

There is free trade and there is fair trade. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #1

How does it help us with all these Pacific nations cutting deals with China? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #4

My view is that the TPP was designed specifically to counteract Chinese influence. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #5

Precisely. The TPP was designed to prevent China from being a hegemon in Asia. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #6

So it is better to replace a Chinese hegemon with a US hegemon? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #9

China shouldn't be able to manipulate their currency... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #11

The working poor are victimized by manufacturers who move plants, and Walmart, guillaumeb Nov 2016 #13

So Working Class Joe DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #16

I am a rarity. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #19

It is not like they allow us to sell product in their countries... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #14

Korean and Japanese cars are not less expensive than their American counterparts DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #15

They sell cars in their countries for more money and lower the prices here. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #26

He's in great debt to China and I'm certain he's going to try and leverage it- sinking the TPP might bettyellen Nov 2016 #2

That sounds about right! flamingdem Nov 2016 #7

He's got millions of dollars of debt in both China and Russia and now tells us he will stop signing bettyellen Nov 2016 #10

first the ENTIRE thing needs to be published on the internet, including any secret components. msongs Nov 2016 #3

I am no international trade agreement expert ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #8

NAFTA is for North America Free Trade Agreement IINM uponit7771 Nov 2016 #36

The TPP is a very bad trade agreement. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #12

Not this junk again. Parties to 3000 trade agreements since 1959 could sue localities, nothing new. Hoyt Nov 2016 #30

I don't hate the TPP. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #17

Big mistake. Basically it's a trade agreement meaning it lowers tariffs on US goods. ucrdem Nov 2016 #18

It's a losing argument. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #20

Yep. ucrdem Nov 2016 #21

As a liberal in a very blue state that depends heavily on trade... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #22

Apples, salmon, honey, ucrdem Nov 2016 #23

See Post 24 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #25

I am not an expert but that is why Governor Brown is very quiet on TPP DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #24

Yeah it became a red-hot potato ucrdem Nov 2016 #27

Trump won't do half the crap he says he is going to do. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #31

The day will come where we will realize we shouldn't have trashed the TPP. Countries like Canada and Hoyt Nov 2016 #28

TPP has already been withdrawn Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #29

It's good to see some folks recognizing trade is important to us. But, weren't many here Hoyt Nov 2016 #32

The irony is that Trump buys so much crap from China from steel to sheets to ties. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #33

People were so blinded by his -- and their -- racism/hatred that they never saw the irony. Hoyt Nov 2016 #34

Nor did it bother them he used Mafia quickcrete DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #35

Trumps owes China 650 million dollars. I am sure that played no part still_one Nov 2016 #39

For all its faults, and they were many, TPP did at least constrain China Bucky Nov 2016 #37

What it means is that China and India will dominate. Congress never approved it so still_one Nov 2016 #38