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athena

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58. Once again, you're confused about the scientific method.

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:10 PM

Nov 2016

A hypothesis is tested by experiment. That is the scientific method. Occam's Razor is not a part of the scientific method. If it were, there would be no need for experiments. As the ancient Greeks did, we could conclude that planetary orbits are perfect circles and that the Earth is at the center of the universe, since that's the simplest hypothesis.

If you're so wedded to Occam's Razor that you think there should be no investigation because the election was not stolen because election fraud is too complicated a hypothesis, then you must also believe that planetary orbits are circles, and that the earth is a flat disc in the exact center of the universe.

You cannot demand evidence if you are against an investigation. That's like saying you are against analyzing astronomical data to check the hypothesis of circular planetary orbits, etc., because there is no evidence that planetary orbits are not circular, etc.

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Occam's Razor hueymahl Nov 2016 #38

Occam's Razor is not a scientific principle. athena Nov 2016 #47

Did not know we were talking science or Quantum Mechanics hueymahl Nov 2016 #48

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Occam's Razor applies exactly to your situation hueymahl Nov 2016 #55

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