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SeloverB

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24. Trump did win, but....

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:39 PM

Nov 2016

Trump won by the rules established when both he and Hillary were nominated by their respective parties. But Hillary did win the popular vote by over 2 million votes, and whenever Trump, Paul Ryan, or anyone else tries to claim that "the American people" want this or that legislation, we need to remind them LOUDLY, that it is 2 million less than half "the people" that they are talking about.

The other issue is that Trump was right! The system is rigged, but he was wrong about who our system is rigged against. If we want to change the electoral college to correct this, we only need to establish by legislation or amendment that those electors should vote for the winner of the national popular vote. Dems could put the Re-thugs on defense opposing such a change, and we need to drag this line out every time the Re-Thugs are involved in any kind of voter suppression. They can argue, and get away with it, that voter fraud exists, but how can they argue against the popular vote?? It will tie their suppression argument up in knots if they are opposing the will of the people, and make their intentions blatantly obvious to all.

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Trump did not win [View all] edhopper Nov 2016 OP

It should never have been close enough for them to steal it, if they did Va Lefty Nov 2016 #1

this is true edhopper Nov 2016 #5

I'm unwilling to accept that Democrats only deserve to win if the vote is overwhelming. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #8

correct; that's what we're being told. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #18

No that is not what I was trying to say Va Lefty Nov 2016 #25

Yet that's a clear implication from what you said. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #27

You're free to draw any implications you feel are valid Va Lefty Nov 2016 #30

Not a very encouraging reply, advocating the view that we are helpless. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #32

what examples edhopper Nov 2016 #35

Usually these are given as examples of failure to fight. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #36

of course not edhopper Nov 2016 #38

So, you want to share your hopelessness? bigmonkey Nov 2016 #40

I do feel pretty hopeless edhopper Nov 2016 #42

You may be intended to feel hopeless. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #45

I await a sign that I am not right edhopper Nov 2016 #47

Boy, are you determined to have the last, depressing word. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #48

I thought you were asking for a response edhopper Nov 2016 #51

May you see the value of standing up for what's right. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #52

We are all going through our stages of grief over this. Chemisse Nov 2016 #60

Thank you. Wisest post on this thread. smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #62

"no sign anybody with any authority will fight him..." Duppers Nov 2016 #59

I'd phrase it this way shawn703 Nov 2016 #39

we underestimated edhopper Nov 2016 #43

I read the post as drmeow Nov 2016 #54

Maybe it wasn't. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #55

I think the reason the overwhelming majority is mentioned kcr Nov 2016 #56

That may be, but the statement normalizes a perverse idea. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #57

Just pointing out the actual reason and intent behind it, here. kcr Nov 2016 #58

Hillary could have gotten 5 million more votes and still lost the electoral college. pnwmom Nov 2016 #17

"Stupid" is apparently a synonym for "sexist." MADem Nov 2016 #65

Rutherfraud B Trump. roamer65 Nov 2016 #2

And 52% voted against Hillary Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #11

What kind of Math is that? Perseus Nov 2016 #20

48% of people voted for Hillary. Therefore 52% did not vote for her. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #28

53 percent beats 52. N/t roamer65 Nov 2016 #50

HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE, thank you very much. niyad Nov 2016 #22

And votes are still being counted, with her lead expected spooky3 Nov 2016 #61

I am so hoping that the recounts will be demanded. we cannot have that hate-mongering, niyad Nov 2016 #72

That and 5 awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #64

WTF we can do it Nov 2016 #37

And 53% voted against Trump LeftishBrit Nov 2016 #41

He didn't "win" anything MFM008 Nov 2016 #53

Americans are TOTALLY cilla4progress Nov 2016 #3

Oh yeah Achilleaze Nov 2016 #4

He couldn't have done it without gerrymandering. lpbk2713 Nov 2016 #6

(sigh) dumbcat Nov 2016 #10

How do you gerrymander the electoral college??????? Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #14

The election of the President hasn't happened yet. dumbcat Nov 2016 #7

Hillary was most popular. We ARE the majority. tinrobot Nov 2016 #9

We are the only ones that matter, even if he had won the popular vote. ileus Nov 2016 #12

Abso-fuckin-lutely! ananda Nov 2016 #13

won't matter, but you're right, it's going to be Bush all over. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #15

Except 100,000,000 times worse ailsagirl Nov 2016 #21

I thought Bush was a moron, and he was... apcalc Nov 2016 #26

Is America ready for Republicans to pass constitutional amendments? IronLionZion Nov 2016 #16

An Amemdment needs 2/3 of Congress edhopper Nov 2016 #31

i don't think the repubs would risk a convention in any case. Calista241 Nov 2016 #44

I understand your feelings, and I do share them, but... Perseus Nov 2016 #19

I agree edhopper Nov 2016 #63

We must refer to it as "Electoral College Recipient" treestar Nov 2016 #23

Trump did win, but.... SeloverB Nov 2016 #24

The media is billing Trump's win as a huuuuge electorial win, overwelming victory doc03 Nov 2016 #29

They are just bragging about how powerful they are world wide wally Nov 2016 #34

Trump just shit on the egos of a lot of ego-full media personalities. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #68

Hey everyone edhopper Nov 2016 #33

Trumps projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clintons votes in 12 states: Coyotl Nov 2016 #46

definitely not. barbtries Nov 2016 #49

So, how do we convince mainstream America that he did not win? Talk about Russia. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #66

Second: Talk about how the hackers are calling Americans "dumb" and how we've been "cheated." McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #67

Third: the press is mad as hell. Use their anger. Massage their egos at the same time. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #69

Four: characterize the recount as the "Challenge". Americans love to Challenge. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #70

K&R Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #71