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In reply to the discussion: Why is Jill Stein taking the lead in instigating a recount? [View all]davidn3600
(6,342 posts)27. How many times has a recount been successful?
....let along been successful in 3 states?
fivethirtyeight says they looked into it and found no evidence....
Theres no clear evidence that the voting method used in a county by machine or by paper had an effect on the vote. Anyone making allegations of a possible massive electoral hack should provide proof, and we cant find any. But its not even clear the group of computer scientists and election lawyers are making these claims. (More on this in a moment.)
The New York article reports that a group that includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and computer scientist J. Alex Halderman presented findings last week about Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to top Clinton campaign officials to try to persuade them to call for a recount. Exactly what those findings were isnt clear. The New York article includes just one example, a finding that Clinton did worse in counties in Wisconsin that used electronic voting machines instead of paper ballots.1 Its not clear what data the group was using to call for a recount in Michigan and Pennsylvania, or if it was looking at data at all: It could have chosen those states because they were the ones besides Wisconsin that Trump won with the smallest margins. Bonifaz, Halderman and the Clinton campaign officials mentioned in the article didnt respond to requests for comment or more detail about the study.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/
The New York article reports that a group that includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and computer scientist J. Alex Halderman presented findings last week about Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to top Clinton campaign officials to try to persuade them to call for a recount. Exactly what those findings were isnt clear. The New York article includes just one example, a finding that Clinton did worse in counties in Wisconsin that used electronic voting machines instead of paper ballots.1 Its not clear what data the group was using to call for a recount in Michigan and Pennsylvania, or if it was looking at data at all: It could have chosen those states because they were the ones besides Wisconsin that Trump won with the smallest margins. Bonifaz, Halderman and the Clinton campaign officials mentioned in the article didnt respond to requests for comment or more detail about the study.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/
Keep in mind that the burden of proof is on the person challenging the results. So if you think the vote count was hacked, you have to prove that.
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It has to be a candidate, and I think there would be a "sore loser" reaction if Hillary did it.
milestogo
Nov 2016
#1
Agreed, she has nothing to gain from this other than certainty in our elections.
Qutzupalotl
Nov 2016
#42
K&R!!! If the democratic party stays business as usual, there will be a string of losses. First,
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#17
"taking the lead in the recount" can mean something different that what you meant
yodermon
Nov 2016
#4
I think Hillary believes her chances of flipping three states are impossibly small.
LonePirate
Nov 2016
#7
I personally don't give a shit if they riot in the streets or whereever. Apparently they don't
shraby
Nov 2016
#10
I'm tired of their shit. Been hearing ir for years, now really in the open. FUCK THEM!!!
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#21
It's the same behavior Obama is exhibiting related to the transfer of power.
LonePirate
Nov 2016
#20
The integrity of the electoral process should be the hallmark of our democracy -
dflprincess
Nov 2016
#95
Agreed. Elsewise Trump would throw her in jail if recount doesn't change anything
emulatorloo
Nov 2016
#45
The Dem Party spent 3 weeks demanding trump respect the results, little hard to go back on that
krawhitham
Nov 2016
#32
I agree! They were rubbing it in our faces, laughing at us, knowing what was going to happen!
crosinski
Nov 2016
#90
If Hillary asked for this the story would be sour grapes of that woman Hillary.
boston bean
Nov 2016
#72
She isn't - She is scamming gullible Democrats to raise money for the Green Party
oberliner
Nov 2016
#78
Wisconsin officials are already getting ready for the recount - give us a break
womanofthehills
Nov 2016
#93
I don't believe a single word that falls out of the orange fascist mouth.
mountain grammy
Nov 2016
#85
Because...for the first time from me...Thanks Obama. He wants a seemless transfer
LaydeeBug
Nov 2016
#92