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In reply to the discussion: Nice Girls Don't Say 'Vagina' -- What The Rep. Lisa Brown Controversy Is Really About [View all]PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)173. You do realize that Adrienne Schreiber
is the one and only Planned Parenthood *official* to have made this claim?
Furthermore, (and this is important to consider) though this quote can be found all over the internet on just about every single right wing blog and discussion forum (including, but not limited to Free Republic) it originates from ONE source... Alana Goodman, CONservative blogger and assistant online editor for the RWing 'Commentary' magazine.
It has been parroted verbatim so much by the right-wing that even a site called Little Green Footballs smelled the BS. And believe me, they have not always been much of a friend to the left. Here is what they had to say:
First, the wingnut chorus is obviously a little unclear on the concept of consent. Even if ultrasounds are part of the Planned Parenthood procedure, its rather obvious that any woman who undergoes one will have explicitly given her consent. This is vastly different from a state law requiring the procedure in all cases, medically necessary or not.
But is it even true that Planned Parenthood already requires ultrasounds before abortions? Lets check out their website under In-Clinic Abortion Procedures:
What Happens During an In-Clinic Abortion?
Its common for women to be nervous about having an abortion or any other medical procedure. But most of us feel better if we know what to expect. Your health care provider will talk with you and answer your questions. But heres a general idea of how it works and what to expect.
Before the abortion procedure, you will need to
discuss your options
talk about your medical history
have laboratory tests
have a physical exam which may include an ultrasound
read and sign papers
Notice the operative term: may include an ultrasound. Planned Parenthoods policy is to do ultrasounds when they are freely chosen by the patient, with the advice of the medical professional doing the exam.
To equate this situation with a state-enforced law is not just misleading, its downright dishonest. But this entire debate over whether women need to be humiliated is just rancid with dishonesty.
But is it even true that Planned Parenthood already requires ultrasounds before abortions? Lets check out their website under In-Clinic Abortion Procedures:
What Happens During an In-Clinic Abortion?
Its common for women to be nervous about having an abortion or any other medical procedure. But most of us feel better if we know what to expect. Your health care provider will talk with you and answer your questions. But heres a general idea of how it works and what to expect.
Before the abortion procedure, you will need to
discuss your options
talk about your medical history
have laboratory tests
have a physical exam which may include an ultrasound
read and sign papers
Notice the operative term: may include an ultrasound. Planned Parenthoods policy is to do ultrasounds when they are freely chosen by the patient, with the advice of the medical professional doing the exam.
To equate this situation with a state-enforced law is not just misleading, its downright dishonest. But this entire debate over whether women need to be humiliated is just rancid with dishonesty.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39957_Another_Right_Wing_Lie-_Planned_Parenthood_Does_Not_Require_Ultrasounds
And if PP's own words are not enough to convince you that your sourcing may have been (ahem) misinformed, consider PP's actions. Approximately one month after this so-called Planned Parenthood *official* supposedly made that statement to Goodman, PP was out fighting against another anti-choice bill, this time in Florida, that sought to force women seeking abortions to have ultrasounds. Now why would PP concern themselves with this bill if Schreiber's (or Goodman's?) words were factually correct, and they (Planned Parenthood) were already doing them?
Source: The Orlando Sentinel:
Planned Parenthood rallies across the state, calling on Crist to veto pre-abortion ultrasound bill
On Thursday, Planned Parenthood launched a statewide campaign opposing the bill with rallies in four Florida cities Orlando, St. Petersburg, Tallahassee and West Palm Beach.
Tacked on as an amendment to an unrelated health-care issue, the provision would require women to undergo an ultrasound of the fetus at their own expense before an abortion could be performed. They also would need to listen to a doctor describe the development of the fetus.
"It's bad legislation," said Sue Idtensohn, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Greater Orlando. "It's mandating something that doctors and their patients should decide on their own. What other medical procedure would lawmakers try to force people to undergo?"
On Thursday, Planned Parenthood launched a statewide campaign opposing the bill with rallies in four Florida cities Orlando, St. Petersburg, Tallahassee and West Palm Beach.
Tacked on as an amendment to an unrelated health-care issue, the provision would require women to undergo an ultrasound of the fetus at their own expense before an abortion could be performed. They also would need to listen to a doctor describe the development of the fetus.
"It's bad legislation," said Sue Idtensohn, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Greater Orlando. "It's mandating something that doctors and their patients should decide on their own. What other medical procedure would lawmakers try to force people to undergo?"
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-05-13/features/os-planned-parenthood-lobbies-crist-20100513_1_planned-parenthood-ultrasound-undue-burden
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Nice Girls Don't Say 'Vagina' -- What The Rep. Lisa Brown Controversy Is Really About [View all]
Purveyor
Jun 2012
OP
Would the left be willing or able to eject that speaker from the floor, however?
antigone382
Jun 2012
#169
" I think we all know that no matter what the female legislator said, she would have been censured"
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#145
You respond to me then say fuck off then respond then say fuck off
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#153
It is about her body. It is about every woman's body. And that charge of implying rape
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#47
No, that is a clear statement of fact. No does mean no in every case, the implication
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#69
See above reply, no does mean no, the implication being pushed is a fabrication. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#75
It is a three word sentence. What are you finding so difficult to understand?
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#89
And like the other guy determined to push this false premise in this thread, the only implication of
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#94
Because it is the entirety of what people are disagreeing with me on
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#137
Vagina is a "civil" word. It is used in sex education classes all over this country.
kiranon
Jun 2012
#98
it is about women and their reproductive organs. it doesn't have to be about hers specifically.
ejpoeta
Jun 2012
#29
And if another congressman calls her a whore, based on the beliefs of his constituency
TBMASE
Jun 2012
#50
Would she feel threatened her co-worker said he was flattered by her interest in his penis
TBMASE
Jun 2012
#23
Just keep flinging it, I'm sure something will stick. This argument is absurd, you begin with a
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#33
Again with the false premise -> false equivalency -> straw man. You have no argument,
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#55
Continually restating your fallacy will never change reality. This tactic doesn't work on
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#63
The fantasy began when she decided that her coworkers had interest in her vagina
TBMASE
Jun 2012
#41
"Vagina. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable and they find it difficult to say."
Initech
Jun 2012
#13
Some men are so sensitive, they get all testerical when you say crude things to them. nt
bemildred
Jun 2012
#18
Those are the men that inevitably go totally limp from the devastating testeria the word invokes!
Zorra
Jun 2012
#30
Seems unlikely to be original, but if it is, I place it in the public domain. nt
bemildred
Jun 2012
#38