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JHan

(10,173 posts)
83. I am liberal.. really..
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:34 AM
Nov 2016

As soon as anyone challenges the status quo in thinking among the left, their views are dismissed as "Right wing talking points"-- I am anything but Conservative. I am a liberal through and through.

1) College Opportunities -

I haven't argued that college opportunities should be restricted, but the irony in the "Free College For ALL' argument is that fewer spaces will become available but let's look at it closely-

To deal with the problem we have to first correctly asses why College Tuition Rates continued to skyrocket over the last couple decades - Why has college tuition risen beyond the rate of inflation? The New York Federal reserve did a study https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr733.html in 2015 which may provide the answer - It showed a connection between subsidization through federal loans and tuition inflation, and this is from their abstract : higher education institutions were "more exposed to changes in the subsidized federal loan program increased their tuition disproportionately around these policy changes, with a sizable pass-through effect on tuition of about 65 percent." As honorably conceived Pell Grants and other fed aid programs may be, the result, paradoxically, ends up being a rise in tuition costs. In other words, for education institutions that depend on students who utilize federal aid assistance, every increase on the dollar in the federal aid cap resulted in tuition and fees rising by 65 cents (on the dollar). In turn, with tuition inflation you end up with higher student debt. And Free College won't really deal with the problem which is why I shared the link from Vox which is hardly a Conservative outfit wouldn't you agree?

Bernie looked to Germany for inspiration for his free College idea - the only problem is Germany couldn't be more different than the U.S. . In Germany, there are jobs you can get without a college degree , jobs that require a college degree in America. Where Bernie is correct is how he assessed a symptom of our problem - in America we treat College Degrees like high school diplomas, cheapening the value and leverage of a degree. We have a greater number of college graduates than Germany, partly due to students pursuing degrees that aren't exactly viable in the market . On the other hand, Germany circumvents the college degree race by providing alternative paths to prosperity for those without a degree by using a vocational pathway through apprenticeships. But these vocational programs in Germany are tightly controlled , as Tamar Jacoby noted in the Atlantic

"What makes dual training work, every manager told us, are the standardized occupational profiles, or curricula, developed by the federal government in collaboration with employers, educators, and union representatives. Every young machinist training anywhere in Germany learns the same skills in the same order on the same timetable as every other machinist. This is good for apprentices: It guarantees high-quality programs where trainees learn more than one company's methods, making it possible for those who wish to switch jobs later on. But it's hard to imagine this level of state control or business-labor cooperation in the U.S."

So there are no easy solutions, we can't lazily adopt ideas from other countries because it sounds good without properly understanding why our problems exist in the first place. We run the risk of misdiagnosing our problems, thus coming up with the wrong solutions thus creating new problems!

2) TPP - there are compelling reasons to support the TPP. .don't just look at the worst case scenarios. No trade deal is perfect, especially a trade deal the size of the TPP. I personally like it because 1) I'm pro trade and I believe trade lifts people out of poverty when done right 2) the TPP has provisions helping small businesses , it also 3) insists that countries in the TPP region comply with international labor standards - this means Vietnam will be forced to unionise 4) It also raises the floor on environment laws, and 5) tackles human trafficking and slavery . If Jason at the Daily Kos can see it, I'll leave it up to you to decide http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1480964/-Defending-the-TPP

3) Trade Deals and Jobs - NAFTA's harshest critics claim that the deal cost us approximately 750,000 jobs. Ignoring for a minute the new jobs created by freer trade between US, Canada and Mexico, that may sound like a lot but the jobs made redundant due to Technology dwarfs this number. In fact, jobs started disappearing since the 1970's but let's look at this century: Between 2000-2010 , Technology made 5.6 million American jobs redundant, see here http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-griswold-globalization-and-trade-help-manufacturing-20160801-snap-story.html
Even Salon is coming round to this: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/10/technology_fcked_us_all_the_anxiety_driving_donald_trump_and_bernie_sanders_is_really_about_machines_taking_our_jobs/

. And it continues to eat away at jobs - As manufacturing becomes "smarter", the job market will shrink. We've seen huge spikes in Productivity gains since the turn of this century, and fewer manufacturing jobs- that is the problem which not a single candidate addressed adequately because everyone was high hating on trade deals when THIS should have been the major issue of 2016. it is also why no renegotiation of trade deals or Sanders-like protectionism will stop this trend - in fact the approach of Trump and Sanders will make things worse for us globally, killing our competitiveness and locking off markets to small to medium size business owners leaving only conglomerates with the capital to offset the drawbacks- not to mention the effects of higher tariffs like price inflation.

4) "Giving away the treasury to private interests" - Wall St is the epicentre of our prosperity. Instead of demonizing successful business people and industry leaders, lets come up with creative solutions to address a culture obsessed with growth at any cost. And this will require some form of self regulation, but bring this up and you get called a shill. Self regulation is ideal and the best away to change the culture at Wall St, but self regulation is next to impossible in huge companies- so again the problem isn't lack of regulation and neither should we believe that there isn't the will to change the status quo. The problem is consolidation of companies and occasionally monetary policies which exacerbate and facilitate abuses and underhanded behavior. If we actually address these issues we may get somewhere..

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It has to be a candidate, and I think there would be a "sore loser" reaction if Hillary did it. milestogo Nov 2016 #1
"sore loser"? We have time for this? SHRED Nov 2016 #3
I am just offering a hypothesis. milestogo Nov 2016 #5
Optics matter. Hillary WON this election by over two million votes. MADem Nov 2016 #86
Agreed, she has nothing to gain from this other than certainty in our elections. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #42
The optics of just laying down are worse bhikkhu Nov 2016 #50
agreed Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #79
No--she gets an opportunity for more media exposure. MADem Nov 2016 #87
Robert Reich's 8-Point Plan for a New Democratic Party elleng Nov 2016 #2
K&R!!! If the democratic party stays business as usual, there will be a string of losses. First, RKP5637 Nov 2016 #17
We need to end the conservative/corporate Democrats' control of the party. Marr Nov 2016 #22
Is "Robert Reich 2020" too early? #robertreich2020foresight ieoeja Nov 2016 #33
Dunno, but imo he's set the stage for such, deliberately or not. elleng Nov 2016 #34
Wholly (atheist!) fuck. I thought he was my age. ieoeja Nov 2016 #39
1 lovemydog Nov 2016 #48
Good read. ronnie624 Nov 2016 #56
I try to take Robert in doses JHan Nov 2016 #62
Too dramatic? elleng Nov 2016 #63
He's misdiagnosed a lot of our problems.. JHan Nov 2016 #64
Sorry, but I think you're mistaken, elleng Nov 2016 #65
Some of those ideas were implemented on HRC's platform but.. JHan Nov 2016 #68
Because of patents JonLP24 Nov 2016 #71
I am liberal.. really.. JHan Nov 2016 #83
those talking points are deffo on the right of centre side of things Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #73
I just replied. JHan Nov 2016 #84
He also gets very pissy when he gets an idea in his head. MADem Nov 2016 #88
Yep.. JHan Nov 2016 #89
"taking the lead in the recount" can mean something different that what you meant yodermon Nov 2016 #4
Fixed...thanks SHRED Nov 2016 #6
I think Hillary believes her chances of flipping three states are impossibly small. LonePirate Nov 2016 #7
So the response is... SHRED Nov 2016 #9
I personally don't give a shit if they riot in the streets or whereever. Apparently they don't shraby Nov 2016 #10
Yes. Fuck them. SHRED Nov 2016 #11
I agree completely. Fuck them. LonePirate Nov 2016 #13
" The authorities and military ...." pangaia Nov 2016 #36
It was such a long shot for the Orange Creep treestar Nov 2016 #76
I'm tired of their shit. Been hearing ir for years, now really in the open. FUCK THEM!!! RKP5637 Nov 2016 #21
This, who are they to threaten us with that? treestar Nov 2016 #75
I am so tired of the "for the good of the country" excuse dflprincess Nov 2016 #15
It's the same behavior Obama is exhibiting related to the transfer of power. LonePirate Nov 2016 #20
The integrity of the electoral process should be the hallmark of our democracy - dflprincess Nov 2016 #95
True! It is not for the good of the country! treestar Nov 2016 #77
Never tell me the odds. briv1016 Nov 2016 #16
But, but, they've made a big deal about how they don't riot... Beartracks Nov 2016 #35
It would be one thing if the turnout was high loyalsister Nov 2016 #54
That threat should not deter anyone treestar Nov 2016 #74
I don't know... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #8
I'm sending her money for this one great idea. Silent3 Nov 2016 #19
Just imagine if Ted Cruz wanted the recount! LeftInTX Nov 2016 #29
Makes sense to me, actually. Hillary can't be anywhere near it AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #12
Me too. I agree. KPN Nov 2016 #38
Yep, especially when we are dealing with a bunch of heavily-armed lunatics. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #44
Agreed. Elsewise Trump would throw her in jail if recount doesn't change anything emulatorloo Nov 2016 #45
Eating their peas anr keeping their powder dry, duh. elehhhhna Nov 2016 #14
And send money to Jill Stein? SHRED Nov 2016 #18
Yeah about 2.0t million now in about ten hours time Land Shark Nov 2016 #24
Her whole campaign raised 3.5 million in over a year Land Shark Nov 2016 #25
Stein finally found the grass roots mother lode it appears. Land Shark Nov 2016 #26
LOL !!! pangaia Nov 2016 #37
HHahahahHAHHAHAHahahahahahahahahah JHan Nov 2016 #58
I donated and I will donate again tomorrow womanofthehills Nov 2016 #28
Who audits where your donation ends up? SHRED Nov 2016 #30
Same people that audit presidential campaigns. FEC Land Shark Nov 2016 #67
I will repeat what I said in another thread JonLP24 Nov 2016 #23
Agreed emulatorloo Nov 2016 #46
How many times has a recount been successful? davidn3600 Nov 2016 #27
538 doesn't mention they have Diebold and Sequoia JonLP24 Nov 2016 #61
1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #81
Burdens of proof are at the END OF A CASE not prior to filing Land Shark Nov 2016 #69
The election results are not going to change davidn3600 Nov 2016 #70
Publicity. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #31
She is one of the few people that can demand a recount JonLP24 Nov 2016 #47
You're on to something...that's a possible legit theory. JHan Nov 2016 #60
The Dem Party spent 3 weeks demanding trump respect the results, little hard to go back on that krawhitham Nov 2016 #32
not hard at all if the audit shows a problem. KewlKat Nov 2016 #40
The perfect set-up for when you plan to cheat. Beartracks Nov 2016 #55
That has been my thinking for the past couple of weeks PugDadDem Nov 2016 #82
I agree! They were rubbing it in our faces, laughing at us, knowing what was going to happen! crosinski Nov 2016 #90
Can she just want to do it as a candidate to possibly help a kennedy Nov 2016 #41
She worked on cleaner elections in Massachusetts in 1998 womanofthehills Nov 2016 #91
Great News! colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #43
Ok, it's a little more complicated than black and white. JNelson6563 Nov 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Nov 2016 #51
If 46 EV's are tied up in legal dispute on Dec 19th? roamer65 Nov 2016 #52
Because she's clueless loyalsister Nov 2016 #53
Hillary Can't. Perhaps behind it though. Sienna86 Nov 2016 #57
She and Jill struck a deal? JHan Nov 2016 #59
Why not? lovemydog Nov 2016 #66
If Hillary asked for this the story would be sour grapes of that woman Hillary. boston bean Nov 2016 #72
She isn't - She is scamming gullible Democrats to raise money for the Green Party oberliner Nov 2016 #78
Wisconsin officials are already getting ready for the recount - give us a break womanofthehills Nov 2016 #93
Your cartoon says it all. Vinca Nov 2016 #80
I don't believe a single word that falls out of the orange fascist mouth. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #85
Because...for the first time from me...Thanks Obama. He wants a seemless transfer LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #92
Because she can, and it is great publicity quaker bill Nov 2016 #94
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