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EL34x4

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59. Complicated indeed.

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:23 AM

Nov 2016

Watching the election, Trump was leading the popular vote count the whole evening, until California's tallies started coming in. California's massive population of democratic voters skewed the entire count.

At any rate, people who argue against the electoral college seem to do so with the belief that Republicans are incapable of winning the popular vote. If the contest was a popular vote one, we'd see entirely different campaigns. We would've seen Trump flying off to Texas doing GOTV drives and flying off to California and New York to persuade Republican voters not to stay home. Neither candidate would've given a damn about fighting for an extra 10,000 votes from battleground states.

In winning the popular vote, Hillary won a game that nobody was playing.

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We won the pop vote by 2,500,000 and lost E C vote by less than 100,000. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 OP

We didn't lose the E.C. ..... they cheated Botany Nov 2016 #1

It's a byzantine system. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #3

And like everything else edhopper Nov 2016 #4

What the EC was purportedly designed to PREVENT has HAPPENED in spite of it. CousinIT Nov 2016 #5

Federalist 68 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #6

Pure horse puckey. CousinIT Nov 2016 #7

That takes a Constitutional Amendment DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #9

Not to mention the Republican majority. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #15

Good luck getting smaller states onboard Abq_Sarah Nov 2016 #65

I did everything within the law to stop him and will continue to do so and urge others to continue DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #8

But geez this is a demagogue treestar Nov 2016 #14

The Constitution does not tell Electors how to vote. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #18

Whoever the majority wants should be POTUS treestar Nov 2016 #19

They were designed to be superdelegates who could correct mistakes DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #30

We end up in the weeds, though. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #34

Theoretically a candidate can win the E C with 23% of the vote. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #36

Based on voting-age Americans... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #41

Complicated indeed. EL34x4 Nov 2016 #59

The Founding Fathers had the prescience to see voters could get it wrong. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #55

Here is their chance to dump the demigod.. pangaia Nov 2016 #53

I agree it is our obligation. Quayblue Nov 2016 #2

Move on... HipHipHillary Nov 2016 #10

Why would you use the popular vote to elect a monarch? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #11

Why worry about how we look? treestar Nov 2016 #13

I am under no illusion we can overturn the election results. That's kind of silly. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #21

And we ought to harp on that for four years treestar Nov 2016 #22

Bush lost by 500,000 votes. Racist McRacist Face is going to lose by more than five times that. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #23

Yes! Let's make sure he is referred to as treestar Nov 2016 #27

It will always be there lingering in the background. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #33

"The popular vote is something you would use to elect a king"?? Maeve Nov 2016 #17

I don't think he or she put a lot of thought into that one. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #20

I get it, though. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #29

You can argue it both ways. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #31

I'd say a measure of equal power. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #37

Wow, I didn't know Monarchies were a democracy. Who knew? kcr Nov 2016 #42

Uh, no. People don't elect kings. pnwmom Nov 2016 #64

I just hope they do it treestar Nov 2016 #12

And those 100,000 votes edhopper Nov 2016 #16

I believe the voter purging in Wisconsin surely cause her loss there. SharonAnn Nov 2016 #28

Insisting we didn't really lose is a good way to learn no lessons from this disaster. Marr Nov 2016 #24

I don't think we should casually dismiss the fact that 2,700,000 more people voted for Clinton. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #26

absolutely; she WON the people. Trump won the square miles. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #49

The more isolated you are from your fellow Americans the more likely you are a Trump voter DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #50

get a clue- certain parts of the country will NEVER vote dem. the E.C. guarantees that dems give TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #52

You might as well wish for candy to grow in your garden. Marr Nov 2016 #60

Not my president and never will be. lark Nov 2016 #25

The 2.5 million is more than the total Trump vote in 11 states. Here's the pie: Coyotl Nov 2016 #32

Wow, this is one pie that makes me sick to my stomach RiverStone Nov 2016 #62

Yes, they said about the Supreme Court, let voters speak, we spoke. Coyotl Nov 2016 #66

If our candidate was significantly more popular loyalsister Nov 2016 #35

Your argument DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #38

A for effort, maybe loyalsister Nov 2016 #39

Standards matter when the candidate with the lowest standards win. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #40

The baggage was different loyalsister Nov 2016 #56

You get an F: Regurgitating 'Clinton Cash' lies is an automatic fail. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #57

I'm pointing out that the mythology was easy to create loyalsister Nov 2016 #61

It sure becomes our problem though, doesn't it? kcr Nov 2016 #43

You mean like suggesting our candidate was one of the most popular in history loyalsister Nov 2016 #48

More fabricated bullshit. No one 'suggested' that. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #58

correct; Trump voters liked what they heard. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #47

HCR was elected the same DT was Cosmocat Nov 2016 #44

personally, i'm not willing to give repubs a head-start on every single prez election. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #54

Ignoring clear calcuable odds is born out of arrogance RiverStone Nov 2016 #63

Ironically, the EC was intended to prevent the very thing that happened.... jack_krass Nov 2016 #45

"the game" right now, is the electoral college and hackable computer vote counting. they both need TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #46

In a fascist government... kentuck Nov 2016 #51