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DAngelo136

(343 posts)
17. So let me pose this question
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 01:12 PM
Nov 2016

Are there free and fair elections in this country?

You wrote: "You might think Fidel was swell, but there is no legitimate way of knowing whether the Cuban people thought so. Because Fidel never had the guts -- or the respect for his own people -- to stand for free, fair and open elections."

I reply with this:
" Trump will assume the presidency because of the Electoral College’s influence — nearly a million more people cast ballots for Hillary Clinton as of November 15. The election was also marked by low turnout, with tens of millions of eligible voters choosing not to participate at all. Yet there has been relatively little discussion about the millions of people who were eligible to vote but could not do so because they faced an array of newly-enacted barriers to the ballot box.
Their systematic disenfranchisement was intentional and politically motivated. In the years leading up to 2016, Republican governors and state legislatures implemented new laws restricting when, where, and how people could vote — laws that disproportionately harmed students, the poor, and people of color. In several instances, lawmakers pushing such policies said explicitly that their goal was suppression of voters who favor the Democratic Party.
Three such states serve as case studies for the effectiveness of these voting restrictions: Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Florida."

https://thinkprogress.org/2016-a-case-study-in-voter-suppression-258b5f90ddcd#.6pls3emqr

And can you tell me why this country still institutes the Electoral College? Is THAT your example of democracy?
I think you should put that stone down before you break your glass house.

Oh, and one more thing: Compare and contrast the two governments of Fidel Castro and Fulgencio Batista, if you dare.

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I hope he enjoys his time in hell! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #1
And if the people in an area don't have the right to freely emigrate from that area.... PoliticAverse Nov 2016 #2
That is why I have so much respect for Daniel Ortega DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #3
Absolutely. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #9
Nuanced views are all too often in short supply, even at DU. bullwinkle428 Nov 2016 #25
Excellent post. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #43
You are absolutely right! Punkingal Nov 2016 #4
They escaped for the reason some are saying we lost the election Ligyron Nov 2016 #10
I've known people who PatSeg Nov 2016 #15
"And, then I told him... jberryhill Nov 2016 #5
Here's something I just posted about Cuba's other revolutionaries ... who gave their lives ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2016 #6
Hopefully with him gone and his brother stepping down in 2018... roamer65 Nov 2016 #7
A tyrant who 'means well' is still a tyrant Maeve Nov 2016 #8
Benevolent dictators can be attractive. moondust Nov 2016 #11
These recounts won't legtimize bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #12
K&R mcar Nov 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author johnp3907 Nov 2016 #14
Right On! kebob Nov 2016 #16
So let me pose this question DAngelo136 Nov 2016 #17
Batista was worse? That's your argument? LOL! MADem Nov 2016 #20
Well said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #23
Do not assume for an election to be free and fair sarisataka Nov 2016 #26
Here we go with the "we aren't a democracy" BS awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #44
Most accurately we have sarisataka Nov 2016 #45
Good post n/t malaise Nov 2016 #34
our government now is legitimate heaven05 Nov 2016 #18
I know a lotta Cubanos. MADem Nov 2016 #19
I thought this would be about Trump. panader0 Nov 2016 #21
Thanks once again SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #22
k&r tammywammy Nov 2016 #24
They had free and fair elections in Chile Bad Dog Nov 2016 #27
"Elections" Uponthegears Nov 2016 #28
Ok then. Why didn't Castro let the Cuban people render their judgement on his rule? Skinner Nov 2016 #30
No doubt a legitimate question Uponthegears Nov 2016 #32
That argument, however, fails at a basic level. Adrahil Nov 2016 #36
"let us not forget" Uponthegears Nov 2016 #39
Given how difficult it was to escape mythology Nov 2016 #47
Well, I guess no more Uponthegears Nov 2016 #49
The US is responsible and should reflect on its own history and actions lostnfound Nov 2016 #29
Castro cannot be held responsible for his own actions because the United States is bad. Skinner Nov 2016 #31
I did not say that! lostnfound Nov 2016 #33
Don''t you know America is never wrong malaise Nov 2016 #35
We just went though an election cycle madokie Nov 2016 #37
You have every reason to worry for your grandchild malaise Nov 2016 #38
I agree with you 100% madokie Nov 2016 #40
Then here's a question I have. Exilednight Nov 2016 #41
Cuba only has one government so obviously that's the one that everyone else has to deal with. Skinner Nov 2016 #42
Pious hypocrites RandiFan1290 Nov 2016 #46
Free and open elections are necessary but not sufficient for legitimacy FarCenter Nov 2016 #48
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