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BlueStreak

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120. Exactly, blind obedience to the same strategy that has lost ground steadily for 25 years

Sun Nov 27, 2016, 11:03 PM

Nov 2016

is not exactly a winning plan.

It is the lack of a message and it is a party full of weak-kneed lackeys too timid to deliver a real message if they had one.

When Will Rogers said "i don't belong to any organized party; I'm a Democrat", that was supposed to be a joke. How are y'all liking this joke these days? It is a damned party of free-lancers, and there are only about 10 people at the national level who have the combination of brainpower and guts to actually get a real winning message across.

25 year ago, this Party decided the best bet was to become junior Republicans and basically stand for nothing anybody could recognize. And we have lost ground in the congress, in the courts, in the governors' offices, and in the state legislatures almost every cycle since then. Wake up and smell the coffee folks. DU is simply not on a winning path and will never be until people come to grips with the core problem.

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HRC/Democrats Lost Due to WRONG Message [View all] NanceGreggs Nov 2016 OP

Excellent post. apcalc Nov 2016 #1

That's some message!!! greytdemocrat Nov 2016 #2

it's a delusional message. as long as the left/progressives /dems ignore talk radio certainot Nov 2016 #84

Exactly, blind obedience to the same strategy that has lost ground steadily for 25 years BlueStreak Nov 2016 #120

Perfect ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #3

Not that difficult HassleCat Nov 2016 #4

And therein lies the problem. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #10

Fantastic message, my dear Nance! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #5

The "we's" have to outnumber the "they's" for us to win oberliner Nov 2016 #6

Meh - Hillary is fine, we did nothing wrong, the country has Salem-FITS UTUSN Nov 2016 #7

Bernie would have won even though he lost, let's stop supporting civil rights, let's purge emulatorloo Nov 2016 #8

So, I'm *PURGED*!1 Oh, woe oh woe woe woah!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #68

... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #101

Just continuing the putting-words-in-the-mouth challenge!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #106

... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #107

Glad we're friendly!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #108

Me too and always! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #109

K&R sheshe2 Nov 2016 #9

KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #11

We lost because James Comey of the FBI tossed two letter bombs pnwmom Nov 2016 #12

THIS SunSeeker Nov 2016 #15

I agree that it was one of many factors ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #16

You're absolutely right about that, Nance. They were primed to respond pnwmom Nov 2016 #17

That certainly didn't help. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #27

1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #35

An election against a reality TV host should never have been close enough to be decided by some Marr Nov 2016 #66

Thank you, Nance! What a fantastic piece of writing! Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #13

They can't be afraid of rapists, they elected one president! Initech Nov 2016 #14

We lost because of drivel like your post. Makes me sick to hear stuff like this. Just drivel. Red Oak Nov 2016 #18

And others simply didn't vote for the top of the ticket. potone Nov 2016 #23

That's what's bothering me about all these excuse-laden post mortems. Marr Nov 2016 #69

I disagree treestar Nov 2016 #55

I agree with this. GreenEyedLefty Nov 2016 #64

That's part of my point. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #98

Look at the the votes for President Obama Red Oak Nov 2016 #116

Yep-- self-aggrandizing pablum. /nt Marr Nov 2016 #67

1 (well said too). nt chknltl Nov 2016 #75

Yep. Many of these "stupid," "gullible," and "ill-informed" voters chose Obama TWICE... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #91

I have examined it, JHan Nov 2016 #110

Democrats lost because jimmil Nov 2016 #19

It's not just about Bill & Hill. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #26

Take yourself back to the primary arikara Nov 2016 #117

Ah, the old "Bernie would have won" meme. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #119

But other Democrats have won. Obama walked into office with Republicans vowing that the only thing Exilednight Nov 2016 #122

To your point, my ex-wife's mother, a life-long DEMOCRAT, loved sayin' she would vote for Satan over Hillary! (She voted for Jill Stein.) InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #28

Clinton Fatigue played a role. I watched that PBS 'Frontline' special... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #93

Hillary won the freaking vote! edhopper Nov 2016 #20

Voting machines Bear Creek Nov 2016 #88

Don't disagree edhopper Nov 2016 #89

Hacked Bear Creek Nov 2016 #21

Agree colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #24

FFS. This election should not have been close enough for them to steal it. She was running against Chakab Nov 2016 #34

I agree Trump was the worst candidate in history. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #118

X 1000! mntleo2 Nov 2016 #57

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #70

Seriously? Okay, take South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas... George II Nov 2016 #80

Right? mcar Nov 2016 #85

Hillary won the popular vote by over 2 million so far and Trump does NOT have a mandate riversedge Nov 2016 #82

Trump doesn't need a mandate EL34x4 Nov 2016 #83

We Democrats can use the popular vote to remind Republicans that Hillary riversedge Nov 2016 #86

Yay! We won a game nobody was playing! EL34x4 Nov 2016 #97

You got to be kidding Gothmog Nov 2016 #92

You did it again, great job!! George II Nov 2016 #22

Nah, the GOP will find a way to blame it on the Dems before the Dems point out it was the GOP SharonAnn Nov 2016 #29

There are people all over the country ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #31

Not all Trump supporters are uninformed, ignorant, inferior bigots democrank Nov 2016 #25

This isn't about ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #30

echo chamber much? wundermaus Nov 2016 #32

Trump supporters ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #33

Excellent! betsuni Nov 2016 #36

Maybe...reminds me of the shopping list of a disgruntled spouse at a marriage counseling... pipoman Nov 2016 #37

We lost ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #39

No, not all evidence to the contrary pipoman Nov 2016 #50

This. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #78

A carnival barking man-child beat *the most qualified candidate for President ever*... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #94

I believe the Democratic party failed so badly because it nominated the wrong CANDIDATE.... mike_c Nov 2016 #38

Yadda yadda yadda. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #40

keep shoving your head in the sand.... mike_c Nov 2016 #41

True. Bernie didn't lose the GE. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #42

It could have been another candidate with strong message Kathy M Nov 2016 #44

Er, Sanders didn't even win the D primaries. He lost by millions of votes stopbush Nov 2016 #56

Because he would have relentlessly hit Trump where it hurt. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #95

Reconsider the "Sanders woulda won" myth. He would have been slaughtered. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #102

1000. Paladin Nov 2016 #103

People who picked a loser don't get to pontificate on making wise choices, sorry. Marr Nov 2016 #105

I'll pontificate all I want, thank you very much. Paladin Nov 2016 #111

Shirking the blame only assures we'll repeat this mess. Marr Nov 2016 #112

"He didn't lose the GE" mcar Nov 2016 #62

1 ..... Agree Kathy M Nov 2016 #43

You might want to read this Eichenwald piece moonscape Nov 2016 #45

Neither Clinton nor Sanders were the right candidate in hindsight. randome Nov 2016 #48

Great post melman Nov 2016 #51

1 leftstreet Nov 2016 #61

Wish I could up-vote this. Marr Nov 2016 #71

Sanders was never vetted. Trump and his people would have destroyed Bernie and Bernie beaglelover Nov 2016 #72

yes clu Nov 2016 #100

And how many here PRAYED that Trump would be the opponent? A LOT 7962 Nov 2016 #115

The great dumbing down The Wizard Nov 2016 #46

Nice! Vinnie From Indy Nov 2016 #53

K&R brer cat Nov 2016 #47

It can be very comforting quaker bill Nov 2016 #49

I share your frustration. Let us revisit a woman scorned in the recent past. I, in no way, Trust Buster Nov 2016 #52

Another great post by Nance Gothmog Nov 2016 #54

One problem. We accuse them of voting against their own interests, but so do we. brewens Nov 2016 #58

Right on the money Shoonra Nov 2016 #59

I stand with Democrats mcar Nov 2016 #60

I totally Agree, I stand with PROGRESSIVE democrats! n/t sylvanus Nov 2016 #63

No, sorry. Marr Nov 2016 #65

1 (nuff said) chknltl Nov 2016 #74

And yet enough did in 2008 and 2012. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #73

In addition to being ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #99

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #76

Democrats failed to push their core values, or uphold them. backscatter712 Nov 2016 #77

What a great post superpatriotman Nov 2016 #79

Fully disagree chknltl Nov 2016 #81

Well said, Nance, as usual.. huge K&R secondwind Nov 2016 #87

America is Greater than It's Ever Been! was the WRONG message Dems to Win Nov 2016 #90

"half the people in the U.S. can't meet an unexpected 400 expense" SMC22307 Nov 2016 #96

"American politics is now a war of the intelligent v the stupid" is the wrong message. rug Nov 2016 #104

k n r! flamingdem Nov 2016 #113

When I hear "Repeal Obamacare" dickthegrouch Nov 2016 #114

I agree 200% DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #121