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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
78. Free education and healthcare didn't make life better for the people?
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:44 PM
Nov 2016

Pretty sure the people of Cuba would disagree on that.

The place isn't Utopia, but it can't be a good choice to just scrap everything the revolution did. They wouldn't be better off turning into post-1989 Poland or Hungary(which is pretty much what forcing a country to go hardline capitalist in economics has to cause).

Fidel isn't "my boy&quot and it's silly of you to keep trying to make everything into "us" versus some "enemy"-the world doesn't actually work like that).

BTW, in case you haven't noticed, antisemitism is about ninety times worse in "non-communist" Lithuania than it was under the old days(and I say that as an anti-Stalinist who never supported the way the USSR treated the Baltic states-if there was any Soviet leader I liked, it was Gorbachev-I assume you'll agree with me that everything is worse in the world because the U.S. insisted on making Gorby play the role of leader of the vanquished enemy and did all it could to pave the way for Putin coming to power). Most of the Lithuanian "anti-communists" were World War II Iron Guard types-and they've done nothing to protect the remaining Lithuanian Jewish community from persecution(there's an annual anti-semitic festival in Lithuania that is pretty much a real-life version of the "Running of the Jew" sequence in Borat, for example).

I'm against all dictatorships. I'm also against U.S. military interventions in other countries, especially since those interventions have had littlt but reactionary effects since the end of World War II.

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Silent thread for Fidel Castro. R.I.P [View all] DonCoquixote Nov 2016 OP
Is this a joke? oberliner Nov 2016 #1
The cold war's over... Cooley Hurd Nov 2016 #3
The Cold War is irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #55
Agree with you 100%... I was in Havana in 2011, saw old people rummaging through garbage, looking secondwind Nov 2016 #10
Where the fuck do you come up with this bullshit? Mika Nov 2016 #15
They have better health care than we do. I know that. cwydro Nov 2016 #21
That's so odd! You are so right. Someone imagines Democrats are stupid, apparently! Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #49
I've NEVER seen LWolf Nov 2016 #54
Unreal. And folks wonder what drives people to vote 4 ogres like Trump. shira Nov 2016 #48
Anyone who thinks "President Donald Trump" is a great idea . . . . HughBeaumont Nov 2016 #53
... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #2
... milestogo Nov 2016 #4
.... Warpy Nov 2016 #5
... flamingdem Nov 2016 #6
... ucrdem Nov 2016 #7
... silverweb Nov 2016 #8
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It's time to party! William769 Nov 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #13
... William769 Nov 2016 #14
US imperialism caused all of Fidel's choices. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #20
So people risk thier lives to flee Cuba for no reason? William769 Nov 2016 #22
Some people want to leave. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #23
And we will now pay the price. pangaia Nov 2016 #25
And perhaps... 2naSalit Nov 2016 #68
From whom do you imagine all the people who die in the desert in Mexico are fleeing? Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #52
Good reply burrowowl Nov 2016 #99
Bull shit hack89 Nov 2016 #35
Complete bullshit, from healthcare to education too. Defending evil. Gross. n/t shira Nov 2016 #47
Why not share your secrets of divination? Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #56
Show me the election where Castro was nearly voted out of office hack89 Nov 2016 #66
Five years before the Cuban Revolution came to power, our country overthrew Jacobo Arbenz Ken Burch Nov 2016 #87
Dictators always have reasons why they should rule forever hack89 Nov 2016 #89
Pathetic, blaming the USA for Fidel's brutality. Worse is when you demonize Cubans.... shira Nov 2016 #46
Do you have good links for that? All I could find quickly was Wikipedia: Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #57
Links for what? Russian or Communist rule pre-WW2? n/t shira Nov 2016 #72
I suggest you look up Pogrom REP Nov 2016 #81
I'm just saying it isn't as simple as "Fidel bad...U.S. good". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #70
He didn't make life better for the people. shira Nov 2016 #71
Free education and healthcare didn't make life better for the people? Ken Burch Nov 2016 #78
That's like arguing Hitler was good for the German economy. shira Nov 2016 #83
Fidel has nothing in common with Hitler. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #84
"Cuban healthcare and education systems are models for the world." shira Nov 2016 #107
Exactly "He made the trains run on time!" EX500rider Nov 2016 #94
That was Mussolini, ffs. And he only did that by making them set the clocks back Ken Burch Nov 2016 #104
Just as Mussolini's trains were an illusion, so is Castro's great healthcare system.... shira Nov 2016 #106
Neither of those things are true. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #110
Yeah I know who it was... EX500rider Nov 2016 #108
Fidel isn't remotely comparable to Hitler or Mussolini. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #111
... BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #12
R.I.P Mika Nov 2016 #16
... Raine Nov 2016 #17
WTF? lillypaddle Nov 2016 #18
A silent thread for a dictator? Nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #19
One man, one vote. His. dumbcat Nov 2016 #41
Oh c'mon now. Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #24
... cwydro Nov 2016 #26
About as silent as a night in October 1962. VOX Nov 2016 #27
I was certainly around, then. That was not the case, as most people know. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #58
... malaise Nov 2016 #28
one less communist dictatorship. stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #29
... Sunsky Nov 2016 #30
RIP NeoConsSuck Nov 2016 #31
Fuck that pintobean Nov 2016 #32
Yankee imperialism bad, Batista bad, Castro bad Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #33
Fuck that shit. hack89 Nov 2016 #34
Fuck Castro. Nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #36
No jehop61 Nov 2016 #37
I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #38
We choose to believe the government's viewpoint of the Cuban Embargo? kentuck Nov 2016 #39
Fidel enid602 Nov 2016 #40
Too good malaise Nov 2016 #44
..... riverbendviewgal Nov 2016 #42
Fuck this. I fart in your "silent" thread. Adrahil Nov 2016 #43
Not worth the silence IMHO. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 #45
. . . Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #50
HAHAHAHA! Fuck No. DetlefK Nov 2016 #51
Who was your government trying to kill during the Bay of Pigs attacks? malaise Nov 2016 #59
First, two wrongs don't make a right. DetlefK Nov 2016 #60
How many times did your governments try to kill Fidel Castro? malaise Nov 2016 #61
Honestly? I don't know. How many innocent people did Castro kill as "dissidents"? DetlefK Nov 2016 #62
Yours killed a million Iraqis malaise Nov 2016 #63
Yippie!!! That means I can commit any crime I want and there's nothing the US can do about it!!! DetlefK Nov 2016 #64
Heal thyself malaise Nov 2016 #65
Plus/Minus a few thousand innocent victims he imprisoned and killed. DetlefK Nov 2016 #67
Fidel was one of the world's great leaders? Tell that to his people he oppressed/murdered.... shira Nov 2016 #73
No, he wasn't. -nt Bradical79 Nov 2016 #75
That's the way he's seen by the countries which didn't try to assassinate him, overthrow him. Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #91
Sure, who doesn't love a dictator run police state? EX500rider Nov 2016 #95
Uh, huh. Police state. Just the way you saw for yourself on your many visits from the U.S. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #96
lol...when were you there? I haven't been to that shithole North Korea either.. EX500rider Nov 2016 #98
... 2naSalit Nov 2016 #69
No. Bradical79 Nov 2016 #74
. mike_c Nov 2016 #76
May the good Lord find a nice cool spot in hell for him! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #77
um..how about if you wished he would drop dead to? MFM008 Nov 2016 #79
What next? sarisataka Nov 2016 #80
Philly DUers: Free cuba libres at Cuba Libre - now through Dec. 4 name not needed Nov 2016 #82
He was less evil than any American President tenderfoot Nov 2016 #85
* sarisataka Nov 2016 #88
UNREC brooklynite Nov 2016 #92
How about, I'll sleep quietly, knowing that he's dead? brooklynite Nov 2016 #93
Right, because I remember that police state dictatorship that Jimmy Carter ran... EX500rider Nov 2016 #97
so you're unaware of his actions in Central America then? tenderfoot Nov 2016 #101
So Castro had no troops in Angola? He was a saint? lol EX500rider Nov 2016 #109
You spend a lot of time in Angola... tenderfoot Nov 2016 #112
Got it...US takes sides in a civil warBAD Castro does itGOOD lol EX500rider Nov 2016 #113
No BuddhaGirl Nov 2016 #86
Arriba, parias de la Tierra. rug Nov 2016 #90
Amen!!!!!!!! burrowowl Nov 2016 #100
So long as R.I.P. is Rot In Pieces we are good. Dictators suck! nt kelly1mm Nov 2016 #102
Can't wait for the eventual Pat Robertson RIP thread. geomon666 Nov 2016 #103
Are you lot the same SomethingNew Nov 2016 #105
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