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MADem

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20. You can't "incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace" ANYWAY.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:29 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:59 PM - Edit history (1)

With or without a flag. It's illegal to so do. On edit--the penalty is up to FIVE years in the kink--not a paltry one year:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2101

And it's against the law to steal. Always has been. Doesn't matter if it's a flag or a park ranger's hat.

There's nothing in this 'law' that wasn't prohibited already. The only difference was the proposed punishment, IF your motives could be determined, IF you stole a flag belonging to the federal government, and/or IF you did this on government land.

If you steal a flag from a flagpole in front of the 7-11, though, for the purposes of calmly expressing your dissatisfaction with the government in an orderly way at a protest that has a permit and the purpose is clearly elucidated, you wouldn't be subject to a year in jail. You might get charged with misdemeanor theft at the local level, maybe setting a fire without a permit, but you wouldn't do a year in the klink. You need to steal a flag that belongs to the US government or is on government land to get the one year in jail prize.

Of course, the bill didn't pass so it doesn't matter. It's all moot, and it distracted the GOP from having a taste for this kind of punitive horseshit over symbolic actions.

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Yeah JHan Nov 2016 #1
Where are all these flag burners they want to protect us from? frazzled Nov 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Nov 2016 #14
How about life in prison... Uben Nov 2016 #3
Let's not be stupid about that bill. That bill was GENIUS. MADem Nov 2016 #4
I might be misreading TubbersUK Nov 2016 #11
It was..MADem knows it....but it failed anyways. Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #18
Not really--see post 20. MADem Nov 2016 #21
You can't "incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace" ANYWAY. MADem Nov 2016 #20
Yup. I could only manage a "yeah" for them.. JHan Nov 2016 #12
And....It was fully cosponsored by...wait for it... Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #5
Please see my discussion immediately upthread. This was a "Cut 'em off at the pass" bill. nt MADem Nov 2016 #6
I saw your post 3 minutes before mine.....irrelavant to the OP.... Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #13
It was a bill that didn't do anything in order to stave off a Constitutonal amendment. NYC Liberal Nov 2016 #7
I never made a cliam it was to stave off anything...I actually posted otherwise. Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #16
It WAS. Voted UP in the House in 2005, voted down in the Senate in 2006. MADem Nov 2016 #19
Totally different deal than what the OP linked to or that I replied to... Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #23
No--you're not paying attention. The OP / your link is to the BILL. MY LINK is to the proposed MADem Nov 2016 #24
Nice try.....but in post 4....your post, you mistate what was in the Bill... Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #27
Wah wah wah --the federal penalty for inciting a riot is five years, not one. MADem Nov 2016 #28
The bill and the amendment are two different things. MADem Nov 2016 #25
Send them an ashed up flag anonymously elehhhhna Nov 2016 #8
wait, is it the '90s again? what a bunch of grand-standing BS. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #9
But stealing victims' money with a fake Trump U gets you no time mainer Nov 2016 #10
So ... can we still burn Confederate flags? baldguy Nov 2016 #15
You can burn any flag.....this failed deal was from '05... Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #17
They should attach a rider... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #22
maybe we're making progress. it's no longer 1950; more like 1988...? unblock Nov 2016 #26
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