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LenaBaby61

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5. Rethugs ...

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 03:50 AM

Nov 2016

Would have a field day making fun of Ellison and call him Un-American for being a "radical" Muslim which is crazy/racist. And with the anti-Muslim sentiment, rampant on the right, well....In fact, I'm hearing that the right-wing brigade is starting in on him by saying he's Un-American because of some of his past statements coming to light. And 99% of the press would do their bit by bringing up the right-winged smears against him 24/7, until he pulled out of the running for DNC leader. SMDH.

Dems better get it right the 1st time and pick a DNC leader whose close to squeaky clean, because unlike Rethugs, Dems have no room for error, especially with this environment they're in where they control almost nothing. Hell, when Rethugs make Yuuuuge mistakes, they don't CARE nor allow it to stop them--they keep their heads down and keep on pushing forward as if they'd never made a mistake in the first place..

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In Private Fundraiser, Keith Ellison Said Israel Controls US Policy [View all] ericson00 Nov 2016 OP

What a buffoon, no politician cares about Israel's influence or AIPAC killbotfactory Nov 2016 #1

Lol... whathehell Nov 2016 #27

That's a mildly interesting way to justify antisemitism stevenleser Nov 2016 #120

It's not antisemitism to recognize that Israel has a major influence on our foreign policy. nt killbotfactory Dec 2016 #144

Depending on context it might be. And there is a lot of other context in that post. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #146

So we need someone who hates Palestinians, right? jfern Nov 2016 #2

No, we just need someone who won't alienate a core constituency ericson00 Nov 2016 #3

So the masters of identity politics decided that hating Palestinians is the right thing to do jfern Nov 2016 #6

Yea, got it. elleng Nov 2016 #8

Umm Ellison is the one pushing more identity politics. ericson00 Nov 2016 #9

It's the 3rd way that is pushing identity politics. jfern Nov 2016 #10

"Tradition?" procon Nov 2016 #53

Do you feel the same way leftynyc Nov 2016 #54

I cannot abide legalized bribery from special interest groups. procon Nov 2016 #58

Thank you. whathehell Nov 2016 #66

Blame Citizens United leftynyc Nov 2016 #68

Those groups work whathehell Nov 2016 #69

No difference whatsoever leftynyc Nov 2016 #70

Says you whathehell Nov 2016 #72

Says the strong majority of Americans leftynyc Nov 2016 #74

The "strong majority" of Americans don't think much about Israel one way or anther.. whathehell Nov 2016 #78

LOL leftynyc Nov 2016 #85

"If you want to ignore a poll that gives 'preety much' gives the same result every year... whathehell Nov 2016 #118

LOL - feel free leftynyc Dec 2016 #128

Lol..Israel LOST on the Iran Nuke Deal despite spending MILLIONS lobbying whathehell Dec 2016 #141

Right, so the power of the Lobby is vastly overrated. Iran is by far... shira Dec 2016 #161

How so? procon Nov 2016 #83

Do you have any idea of leftynyc Nov 2016 #86

It comes with too hefty a price tag, procon Nov 2016 #95

Oh pray tell leftynyc Nov 2016 #96

Can you think of one war where the US did not supply Israel with all the major procon Nov 2016 #98

So you've switched from whining leftynyc Nov 2016 #99

When you're reduced to tossing out personal attacks and F-bombing, procon Nov 2016 #100

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #101

+1000 whathehell Dec 2016 #135

Not one American life lost yesphan Nov 2016 #102

Wow leftynyc Nov 2016 #103

the reason I won't report your post is so that the left-wing anti-Semitism can be exposed ericson00 Dec 2016 #126

Yep, I've never seen a USS Liberty reference that wasn't a smokescreen for antisemitism. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #143

America would be trillions more in debt if it didn't support Israel.... shira Nov 2016 #90

I'm sick to fucking death leftynyc Nov 2016 #97

What precisely is the relevant and legal difference? LanternWaste Nov 2016 #88

Who exactly are the masters leftynyc Nov 2016 #21

In 2016, Donald Trump was the master of 'Identity Politics'. He ran on hating minorities. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #43

While I have deep sympathies for Palestinians and Israelis as well Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #132

Ding ding we have a winner malaise Nov 2016 #14

We need someone who is not controversial. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #19

Dean was against the Iran Nuclear deal.. whathehell Nov 2016 #29

I don't care about the Iran-Contra deal in a DNC chairman. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #32

and I don't care about how much one loves AIPAC.. whathehell Nov 2016 #34

We need a fulltime DNC person. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #79

"Iran-contra deal"? whathehell Nov 2016 #64

Dean was against a deal that polls showed and still show ericson00 Nov 2016 #45

Wrong. Most Americans, as well our European allies who co-signed with uw whathehell Nov 2016 #76

What does it matter Trumpy is going to end it anyway...so how a DNC chairman feels Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #80

Giving up that easily, huh?. whathehell Nov 2016 #117

I know exactly why Trump won...and the fight needed to happen before he won. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #133

Americans are against the Iran Nuclear Deal NobodyHere Nov 2016 #106

That's one poll taken 10 months ago.. whathehell Nov 2016 #116

So where's your evidence that Americans support the deal? NobodyHere Nov 2016 #122

Um, that it passed? whathehell Dec 2016 #138

Sure...That's why they passed it through their congressional reps whathehell Dec 2016 #142

Your point? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #162

Dean was a paid supporter of a designated terrorist organiztion (MEK) Chathamization Nov 2016 #93

MEK was delisted by the US and everyone else because they found out the info implicating them stevenleser Dec 2016 #123

Farrakhan and "so-called Jews" who he says are "wicked?" not controversial? ericson00 Dec 2016 #125

Odd you see merely two possibilities. Simplistic thinking is rather convenient to one's bias, yes? LanternWaste Nov 2016 #87

Way too much glitter in the trash .. pbmus Nov 2016 #4

Howard's off lobbying someone in DC at the moment. Barack_America Nov 2016 #17

Let's get Dean to lobby for the Democrats as DNC chair, as he's damn good at that emulatorloo Nov 2016 #49

Rethugs ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #5

We could appoint Jesus as DNC chair Nevernose Nov 2016 #18

What we definitely DON'T leftynyc Nov 2016 #22

We will not elect progressives in all 50 states. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #24

Well Jesus did have that carpentry ChazII Nov 2016 #52

Ellison is fair shellyleit Nov 2016 #7

If Netanyahu was out, replaced by Ilsa Nov 2016 #15

That's pretty easy to say leftynyc Nov 2016 #23

In its earlier form, it was taking out the centrifuges, gradually, Ilsa Nov 2016 #59

No dead bodies leftynyc Nov 2016 #67

Except for some Iranian scientists who were murdered. nt Ilsa Nov 2016 #108

Not by Israeli's, they weren't leftynyc Nov 2016 #109

I didn't say Israelis did it. Not certain who did. Ilsa Nov 2016 #110

LOL leftynyc Nov 2016 #111

Probably alarimer Nov 2016 #48

Netanyahu goes rogue whenever it suits him, Ilsa Nov 2016 #60

No we definitely do not need Mid East policy in the DNC Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #26

I have nothing against Ellison, I admire him greatly, but Howard Dean is what we need right now. phleshdef Nov 2016 #11

I'd like to hear something longer than 36 seconds ck4829 Nov 2016 #12

No one is denying Ellison said it. ericson00 Nov 2016 #13

And pointing out that the messenger is an anti-Muslim bigot is a statement of fact. baldguy Nov 2016 #28

So putting a man who us out of touch with American public opinion ericson00 Nov 2016 #30

Manufactured American opinion, maybe? whathehell Nov 2016 #37

its more like organic opinion ericson00 Nov 2016 #39

You all just wantn Ellison because Bernie wants him. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #81

LOL...I didn't even KNOW that Bernie wanted him whathehell Nov 2016 #121

Plenty do. Every artcile about this says Bernie backs Ellison. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #131

Good for them.. whathehell Dec 2016 #134

You're equating liberal/left American Jews with the RW govt of Israel. baldguy Nov 2016 #42

whats actually pertinent is the bloc as a whole ericson00 Dec 2016 #124

So, progressive Dems who find Israels undue influence problematic are "anti Israel" now? baldguy Dec 2016 #130

That's the line organizations like AIPAC want you to believe. whathehell Dec 2016 #136

The US is trying to develop relationships with moderate Iran? You think Iran is moderate? n/t shira Dec 2016 #160

Did *I* say Iran? No I did not. baldguy Dec 2016 #164

"And the quote is all that matters; " procon Nov 2016 #56

Obviously Israel doesn't have great influence as Israel lost the battle on the Iran deal. n/t shira Nov 2016 #113

Narrowly, and they tried like hell, spending millions in P.R. whathehell Dec 2016 #140

Yeah, so much for the power of the Israel Lobby. QED. n/t shira Dec 2016 #151

Lol..One their VERY few losses whathehell Dec 2016 #154

That's the biggest thing by far they've stood up for, in decades. n/t shira Dec 2016 #158

+1! JudyM Dec 2016 #147

"The quote is all that matters", let's see if that works both ways ck4829 Nov 2016 #105

Ever wonder how rightwingers feel defending Steve Bannon? shira Nov 2016 #114

So then you have something to say about the ADL? About Chuck Schumer? ck4829 Nov 2016 #115

Those quotes are not from Ellison. Random quotes from other people are not at issue. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #145

But they aren't random, they are from this very article about Ellison ck4829 Dec 2016 #148

Doesn't matter. The question is whether Ellison is suitable based on his statements. stevenleser Dec 2016 #149

1, I hate these less than 5 min clips where a persons context can't be seen uponit7771 Nov 2016 #63

Seems there's a coordinated effort to trash Ellison on DU. Barack_America Nov 2016 #16

Sorry, but once again leftynyc Nov 2016 #25

Sorry you're predjudiced against Muslims. Barack_America Nov 2016 #31

I don't give a crap leftynyc Nov 2016 #33

Dems deserve to lose with a chair who supports Farrakhan & Castro.... shira Nov 2016 #82

Wow, what an offensive post philosslayer Nov 2016 #51

LOL leftynyc Nov 2016 #55

Yep. alarimer Nov 2016 #50

If they make him head of DNC leftynyc Nov 2016 #20

I'm sure that will make all the difference. whathehell Nov 2016 #35

I think it's adorable leftynyc Nov 2016 #36

Lol.. whathehell Nov 2016 #38

Yes, I'm sure leftynyc Nov 2016 #104

Who asked if you were "sure", lol? whathehell Nov 2016 #119

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #129

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #137

"..or are you just a Zionist upset" WTF? shira Dec 2016 #150

Anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism? whathehell Dec 2016 #153

It's come to mean that, with literally no exceptions. shira Dec 2016 #157

Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitism. Get Over It Mosby Dec 2016 #163

given Jewish voters' generosity to the Democratic Party, in votes, activism, and yes, contributions, ericson00 Nov 2016 #40

Sure.. whathehell Nov 2016 #41

well given how Jewish voters/mover & shakers are the effin engine that ericson00 Nov 2016 #44

This kinda refutes your original objection, yeah? procon Nov 2016 #57

Lol.. whathehell Nov 2016 #65

So, Israel equals Jews? SQUEE Nov 2016 #112

Sorry, I don't do "honour" either, lol whathehell Nov 2016 #61

I saw that too. procon Nov 2016 #71

Yup.. whathehell Nov 2016 #73

It's not wrong, though. alarimer Nov 2016 #46

We need to kick the GOP's asses. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #47

The DNC is dead. Long live the dnc dembotoz Nov 2016 #62

Ellison is 100 percent correct. However it's not something you say out loud. hollowdweller Nov 2016 #75

Oh boy. RandySF Nov 2016 #77

Should Ellison be required to register his status as Muslim? Seeing that he's untrustworthy tenderfoot Nov 2016 #84

Right wing Likudnik mouthpiece says what? Scurrilous Nov 2016 #89

It's on audio. Here it is... shira Nov 2016 #91

Shira.. Scurrilous Nov 2016 #94

LoL. It wasn't a direct quote, but Ellison was clearly talking about Israel. n/t shira Nov 2016 #107

One of the reasons J Street was formed was to counter AIPAC influence Larkspur Nov 2016 #92

Thank you.. whathehell Dec 2016 #139

What's with your knock on Zionism, Zionists? Obama & Bernie are Zionists. n/t shira Dec 2016 #159

My former Congressman said the same. He said that AIPAC wields a lot of influence mahina Dec 2016 #127

Not saying the Emperor is naked doesn't clothe the Emperor. Canadaexpat2 Dec 2016 #152

whoops... so much for him Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #155

"When the Americans who trace their roots back to those 350 million get involved everything changes" Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #156