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37. Manufactured American opinion, maybe?

Reply to ericson00 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:31 AM

Nov 2016

I hate to break it to you, but a majority of Americans don't give Israel much thought, one way or another.

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In Private Fundraiser, Keith Ellison Said Israel Controls US Policy [View all] ericson00 Nov 2016 OP

What a buffoon, no politician cares about Israel's influence or AIPAC killbotfactory Nov 2016 #1

Lol... whathehell Nov 2016 #27

That's a mildly interesting way to justify antisemitism stevenleser Nov 2016 #120

It's not antisemitism to recognize that Israel has a major influence on our foreign policy. nt killbotfactory Dec 2016 #144

Depending on context it might be. And there is a lot of other context in that post. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #146

So we need someone who hates Palestinians, right? jfern Nov 2016 #2

No, we just need someone who won't alienate a core constituency ericson00 Nov 2016 #3

So the masters of identity politics decided that hating Palestinians is the right thing to do jfern Nov 2016 #6

Yea, got it. elleng Nov 2016 #8

Umm Ellison is the one pushing more identity politics. ericson00 Nov 2016 #9

It's the 3rd way that is pushing identity politics. jfern Nov 2016 #10

"Tradition?" procon Nov 2016 #53

Do you feel the same way leftynyc Nov 2016 #54

I cannot abide legalized bribery from special interest groups. procon Nov 2016 #58

Thank you. whathehell Nov 2016 #66

Blame Citizens United leftynyc Nov 2016 #68

Those groups work whathehell Nov 2016 #69

No difference whatsoever leftynyc Nov 2016 #70

Says you whathehell Nov 2016 #72

Says the strong majority of Americans leftynyc Nov 2016 #74

The "strong majority" of Americans don't think much about Israel one way or anther.. whathehell Nov 2016 #78

LOL leftynyc Nov 2016 #85

"If you want to ignore a poll that gives 'preety much' gives the same result every year... whathehell Nov 2016 #118

LOL - feel free leftynyc Dec 2016 #128

Lol..Israel LOST on the Iran Nuke Deal despite spending MILLIONS lobbying whathehell Dec 2016 #141

Right, so the power of the Lobby is vastly overrated. Iran is by far... shira Dec 2016 #161

How so? procon Nov 2016 #83

Do you have any idea of leftynyc Nov 2016 #86

It comes with too hefty a price tag, procon Nov 2016 #95

Oh pray tell leftynyc Nov 2016 #96

Can you think of one war where the US did not supply Israel with all the major procon Nov 2016 #98

So you've switched from whining leftynyc Nov 2016 #99

When you're reduced to tossing out personal attacks and F-bombing, procon Nov 2016 #100

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #101

+1000 whathehell Dec 2016 #135

Not one American life lost yesphan Nov 2016 #102

Wow leftynyc Nov 2016 #103

the reason I won't report your post is so that the left-wing anti-Semitism can be exposed ericson00 Dec 2016 #126

Yep, I've never seen a USS Liberty reference that wasn't a smokescreen for antisemitism. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #143

America would be trillions more in debt if it didn't support Israel.... shira Nov 2016 #90

I'm sick to fucking death leftynyc Nov 2016 #97

What precisely is the relevant and legal difference? LanternWaste Nov 2016 #88

Who exactly are the masters leftynyc Nov 2016 #21

In 2016, Donald Trump was the master of 'Identity Politics'. He ran on hating minorities. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #43

While I have deep sympathies for Palestinians and Israelis as well Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #132

Ding ding we have a winner malaise Nov 2016 #14

We need someone who is not controversial. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #19

Dean was against the Iran Nuclear deal.. whathehell Nov 2016 #29

I don't care about the Iran-Contra deal in a DNC chairman. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #32

and I don't care about how much one loves AIPAC.. whathehell Nov 2016 #34

We need a fulltime DNC person. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #79

"Iran-contra deal"? whathehell Nov 2016 #64

Dean was against a deal that polls showed and still show ericson00 Nov 2016 #45

Wrong. Most Americans, as well our European allies who co-signed with uw whathehell Nov 2016 #76

What does it matter Trumpy is going to end it anyway...so how a DNC chairman feels Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #80

Giving up that easily, huh?. whathehell Nov 2016 #117

I know exactly why Trump won...and the fight needed to happen before he won. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #133

Americans are against the Iran Nuclear Deal NobodyHere Nov 2016 #106

That's one poll taken 10 months ago.. whathehell Nov 2016 #116

So where's your evidence that Americans support the deal? NobodyHere Nov 2016 #122

Um, that it passed? whathehell Dec 2016 #138

Sure...That's why they passed it through their congressional reps whathehell Dec 2016 #142

Your point? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #162

Dean was a paid supporter of a designated terrorist organiztion (MEK) Chathamization Nov 2016 #93

MEK was delisted by the US and everyone else because they found out the info implicating them stevenleser Dec 2016 #123

Farrakhan and "so-called Jews" who he says are "wicked?" not controversial? ericson00 Dec 2016 #125

Odd you see merely two possibilities. Simplistic thinking is rather convenient to one's bias, yes? LanternWaste Nov 2016 #87

Way too much glitter in the trash .. pbmus Nov 2016 #4

Howard's off lobbying someone in DC at the moment. Barack_America Nov 2016 #17

Let's get Dean to lobby for the Democrats as DNC chair, as he's damn good at that emulatorloo Nov 2016 #49

Rethugs ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #5

We could appoint Jesus as DNC chair Nevernose Nov 2016 #18

What we definitely DON'T leftynyc Nov 2016 #22

We will not elect progressives in all 50 states. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #24

Well Jesus did have that carpentry ChazII Nov 2016 #52

Ellison is fair shellyleit Nov 2016 #7

If Netanyahu was out, replaced by Ilsa Nov 2016 #15

That's pretty easy to say leftynyc Nov 2016 #23

In its earlier form, it was taking out the centrifuges, gradually, Ilsa Nov 2016 #59

No dead bodies leftynyc Nov 2016 #67

Except for some Iranian scientists who were murdered. nt Ilsa Nov 2016 #108

Not by Israeli's, they weren't leftynyc Nov 2016 #109

I didn't say Israelis did it. Not certain who did. Ilsa Nov 2016 #110

LOL leftynyc Nov 2016 #111

Probably alarimer Nov 2016 #48

Netanyahu goes rogue whenever it suits him, Ilsa Nov 2016 #60

No we definitely do not need Mid East policy in the DNC Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #26

I have nothing against Ellison, I admire him greatly, but Howard Dean is what we need right now. phleshdef Nov 2016 #11

I'd like to hear something longer than 36 seconds ck4829 Nov 2016 #12

No one is denying Ellison said it. ericson00 Nov 2016 #13

And pointing out that the messenger is an anti-Muslim bigot is a statement of fact. baldguy Nov 2016 #28

So putting a man who us out of touch with American public opinion ericson00 Nov 2016 #30

Manufactured American opinion, maybe? whathehell Nov 2016 #37

its more like organic opinion ericson00 Nov 2016 #39

You all just wantn Ellison because Bernie wants him. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #81

LOL...I didn't even KNOW that Bernie wanted him whathehell Nov 2016 #121

Plenty do. Every artcile about this says Bernie backs Ellison. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #131

Good for them.. whathehell Dec 2016 #134

You're equating liberal/left American Jews with the RW govt of Israel. baldguy Nov 2016 #42

whats actually pertinent is the bloc as a whole ericson00 Dec 2016 #124

So, progressive Dems who find Israels undue influence problematic are "anti Israel" now? baldguy Dec 2016 #130

That's the line organizations like AIPAC want you to believe. whathehell Dec 2016 #136

The US is trying to develop relationships with moderate Iran? You think Iran is moderate? n/t shira Dec 2016 #160

Did *I* say Iran? No I did not. baldguy Dec 2016 #164

"And the quote is all that matters; " procon Nov 2016 #56

Obviously Israel doesn't have great influence as Israel lost the battle on the Iran deal. n/t shira Nov 2016 #113

Narrowly, and they tried like hell, spending millions in P.R. whathehell Dec 2016 #140

Yeah, so much for the power of the Israel Lobby. QED. n/t shira Dec 2016 #151

Lol..One their VERY few losses whathehell Dec 2016 #154

That's the biggest thing by far they've stood up for, in decades. n/t shira Dec 2016 #158

+1! JudyM Dec 2016 #147

"The quote is all that matters", let's see if that works both ways ck4829 Nov 2016 #105

Ever wonder how rightwingers feel defending Steve Bannon? shira Nov 2016 #114

So then you have something to say about the ADL? About Chuck Schumer? ck4829 Nov 2016 #115

Those quotes are not from Ellison. Random quotes from other people are not at issue. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #145

But they aren't random, they are from this very article about Ellison ck4829 Dec 2016 #148

Doesn't matter. The question is whether Ellison is suitable based on his statements. stevenleser Dec 2016 #149

1, I hate these less than 5 min clips where a persons context can't be seen uponit7771 Nov 2016 #63

Seems there's a coordinated effort to trash Ellison on DU. Barack_America Nov 2016 #16

Sorry, but once again leftynyc Nov 2016 #25

Sorry you're predjudiced against Muslims. Barack_America Nov 2016 #31

I don't give a crap leftynyc Nov 2016 #33

Dems deserve to lose with a chair who supports Farrakhan & Castro.... shira Nov 2016 #82

Wow, what an offensive post philosslayer Nov 2016 #51

LOL leftynyc Nov 2016 #55

Yep. alarimer Nov 2016 #50

If they make him head of DNC leftynyc Nov 2016 #20

I'm sure that will make all the difference. whathehell Nov 2016 #35

I think it's adorable leftynyc Nov 2016 #36

Lol.. whathehell Nov 2016 #38

Yes, I'm sure leftynyc Nov 2016 #104

Who asked if you were "sure", lol? whathehell Nov 2016 #119

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #129

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #137

"..or are you just a Zionist upset" WTF? shira Dec 2016 #150

Anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism? whathehell Dec 2016 #153

It's come to mean that, with literally no exceptions. shira Dec 2016 #157

Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitism. Get Over It Mosby Dec 2016 #163

given Jewish voters' generosity to the Democratic Party, in votes, activism, and yes, contributions, ericson00 Nov 2016 #40

Sure.. whathehell Nov 2016 #41

well given how Jewish voters/mover & shakers are the effin engine that ericson00 Nov 2016 #44

This kinda refutes your original objection, yeah? procon Nov 2016 #57

Lol.. whathehell Nov 2016 #65

So, Israel equals Jews? SQUEE Nov 2016 #112

Sorry, I don't do "honour" either, lol whathehell Nov 2016 #61

I saw that too. procon Nov 2016 #71

Yup.. whathehell Nov 2016 #73

It's not wrong, though. alarimer Nov 2016 #46

We need to kick the GOP's asses. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #47

The DNC is dead. Long live the dnc dembotoz Nov 2016 #62

Ellison is 100 percent correct. However it's not something you say out loud. hollowdweller Nov 2016 #75

Oh boy. RandySF Nov 2016 #77

Should Ellison be required to register his status as Muslim? Seeing that he's untrustworthy tenderfoot Nov 2016 #84

Right wing Likudnik mouthpiece says what? Scurrilous Nov 2016 #89

It's on audio. Here it is... shira Nov 2016 #91

Shira.. Scurrilous Nov 2016 #94

LoL. It wasn't a direct quote, but Ellison was clearly talking about Israel. n/t shira Nov 2016 #107

One of the reasons J Street was formed was to counter AIPAC influence Larkspur Nov 2016 #92

Thank you.. whathehell Dec 2016 #139

What's with your knock on Zionism, Zionists? Obama & Bernie are Zionists. n/t shira Dec 2016 #159

My former Congressman said the same. He said that AIPAC wields a lot of influence mahina Dec 2016 #127

Not saying the Emperor is naked doesn't clothe the Emperor. Canadaexpat2 Dec 2016 #152

whoops... so much for him Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #155

"When the Americans who trace their roots back to those 350 million get involved everything changes" Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #156