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MightyOkie

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155. What does that claptrap even mean?

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:45 AM

Jun 2012

Conceding an argument? Changing the conversation? This is quite simple: If on June 30, 2012, you are paying 35% tax, then on July 1, 2012, you are paying 39%. That's an increase. Period. End of sentence. End of conversation. Now, if your point is that this process/analysis is conceding to the "right wing", rather than conceding to 1st grade math, I can't help you.

Since it seems that the prevailing issue in this thread is that the Bush tax cuts merely temporarily altered enacted tax rates, hence there is no increase as ending the cuts would merely restore those original rates. Unfortunately, for those who never paid the higher original rate to begin with (which was sort of my point) for whatever reason, unless they have their handy-dandy DeLorean with the optional flux capacitor and time traveled, they will pay for the FIRST TIME any restored original rate. Now, you can try harder next time rather than being a smart ass.

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CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!11!!1!! [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2012 OP

Maybe this is a stupid question Turbineguy Jun 2012 #1

The biggest driver of the deficit is Samantha Jun 2012 #32

And the taxcuts cause the deficits... kentuck Jun 2012 #48

Yep deutsey Jun 2012 #57

Absolutely Samantha Jun 2012 #67

Those are not Democrats RC Jun 2012 #77

I agree with you about the right-leaning Dems - they should just move on over to the other Samantha Jun 2012 #113

Some of us called the obvious YEARS ago. Wake the fuck up. We are on our own. Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #54

I was one of those and don't cuss at me n/t Samantha Jun 2012 #111

haha, yes, well, not meant 'at' you, but just echoing using your reply Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #115

Okay, I understand and am now officially unoffended Samantha Jun 2012 #128

email to my two Senators and 1 House "Representative": dreampunk Jun 2012 #45

Agreed Xyzse Jun 2012 #114

maybe dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #60

Sticking this in here Maraya1969 Jun 2012 #64

THANKYOU!! turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #94

Thank you! n/t Paka Jun 2012 #158

The Democrats often do more to defeat themselves WI_DEM Jun 2012 #2

k&r....sob's spanone Jun 2012 #3

Called Sen. Pryor's office and spoke with an aide. I'm sure that Mark will sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #4

Tonedeaf. 99Forever Jun 2012 #5

A few million dollars in campaign funds. n/t JHB Jun 2012 #11

" Don't want to raise taxes on anyone " is a ploy orpupilofnature57 Jun 2012 #6

no doubt these DINO senators are hearing from their rich campaign donors: "don't raise taxes on ME wordpix Jun 2012 #7

The President could veto BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #8

"The President could veto..." bluedigger Jun 2012 #13

Not a "good one" BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #38

I understand the "threat" argument. bluedigger Jun 2012 #106

Unless Harry gets his minions in line, the tax cuts will be permanent via temporary extensions. no_hypocrisy Jun 2012 #9

Senators are not the Majority Leader's minions Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #16

Harry COULD refuse to bring the vote to the floor though MessiahRp Jun 2012 #18

He could, but a stalemate would mean that everyone (rich, middle class, and poor) would get Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #22

Stop buying into rightwing framing. theaocp Jun 2012 #27

It isn't? MightyOkie Jun 2012 #34

That's still rightwing framing. theaocp Jun 2012 #43

Why did you put "rich" in quotes? That usually translates as "fake rich" people. ieoeja Jun 2012 #104

That's kind of the way I feel about wealth... MightyOkie Jun 2012 #156

Isn't the argument "we don't want to punish the the job creators" Blanks Jun 2012 #127

Most voters would consider an increase in their tax rate from one year to the next to be Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #35

You're conceding the argument on the right wing's terms. theaocp Jun 2012 #44

What does that claptrap even mean? MightyOkie Jun 2012 #155

You like arguing from the right wing's perspective. theaocp Jun 2012 #160

I didn't think the very poor paid income taxes? kentuck Jun 2012 #53

Yeah? 99Forever Jun 2012 #21

This is why the Democratic party essentially stands for nothing today /nt still_one Jun 2012 #10

Senators are individuals with their own agendas responding to their supporters in their states FarCenter Jun 2012 #12

Except their votes impact xxqqqzme Jun 2012 #19

That's democracy for you. MightyOkie Jun 2012 #37

Define "supporters" theaocp Jun 2012 #29

The people and organizations that fund their campaign: the organizations that work on their election FarCenter Jun 2012 #140

How many voters would sway from Dem to Repub in any of these seven morningfog Jun 2012 #59

Seven asshole Senators do not represent the entire Democratic party. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #20

you're only as strong as your weakest link frylock Jun 2012 #26

And the Democratic Party is weak if it can't keep its Senators in line. morningfog Jun 2012 #47

Increasing taxes on the wealthy right now will not have any impact on the economy... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #14

I mean they won't spend or hire more or less depending on the amount they pay in taxes Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #15

You are correct. kentuck Jun 2012 #56

But there has to be a revenue solution somewhere; right? MightyOkie Jun 2012 #157

There's going to be another fucking "deal", just like there was 2 years ago. bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #17

Worthless Blue Dogs! JDPriestly Jun 2012 #23

Seems to be an Argument Against Tax Extension erpowers Jun 2012 #24

gawd damn you obstructionist republicans!!1 frylock Jun 2012 #25

WTF??!?!! ProfessionalLeftist Jun 2012 #28

I will sit home in November if it passes. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #30

This would likely be taken up in a lame duck session, as it was in 2010 Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #39

That will only make things worse. AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #58

No way. Too many other things riding on November. Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 #80

You make a good point Jackpine... but kentuck Jun 2012 #86

So the Democrats offer a slow slide to Perdition. Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 #161

gotta love the classics hfojvt Jun 2012 #31

Seven: ProSense Jun 2012 #33

Can the President not veto revenue bills? kentuck Jun 2012 #41

Yes the President Can. Savannahmann Jun 2012 #69

indeed Doc Holliday Jun 2012 #103

Democratic leaders need to get them in line. morningfog Jun 2012 #68

Democratic Leaders are too busy reading polls that tell us the predictable. Savannahmann Jun 2012 #71

They are in line. Just the wrong one. RC Jun 2012 #88

my Senator Bill Nelson, ugh steve2470 Jun 2012 #74

The usual suspects. boxman15 Jun 2012 #133

Exactly what everybody who is not LYING woo me with science Jun 2012 #36

Get ready for it. kentuck Jun 2012 #40

This isn't even a surprise. We knew the tax cuts were essentially permanent morningfog Jun 2012 #50

CORRECT Skittles Jun 2012 #149

RETARDS. publikkklans blackmailed an extension for unemployment extension. pansypoo53219 Jun 2012 #42

You know, the word "retard" when used to describe a person or group MineralMan Jun 2012 #142

Maybe you could edit your post to leave out the "R" word. Kaleva Jun 2012 #143

Please use another word besides "retard". steve2470 Jun 2012 #144

Please stop using people with developmental disabilities as an insult. Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #145

The word "retard" is offensive FloridaJudy Jun 2012 #146

Calling people 'jerks is offensive to soda jerks. RC Jun 2012 #147

When was the last time FloridaJudy Jun 2012 #164

I remember them. RC Jun 2012 #165

So you refuse to edit out the offensive word? UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #166

The subject line is extremely hurtful. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #167

This can't be. We were told ad nauseum that the Bush tax cuts would morningfog Jun 2012 #46

+1. Hate to say I told ya so riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #65

Great...More from the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight deutsey Jun 2012 #49

James Fallows discusses this issue succinctly Samantha Jun 2012 #51

The message is already clear salib Jun 2012 #52

Since I'm from Kansas & it doesn't matter, should I focus on CALIFORNIA? Tell me how the CA tail patrice Jun 2012 #55

Somebody tell me why we need Republicans? Savannahmann Jun 2012 #61

William, patrice Jun 2012 #62

Damn, this is depressing... kentuck Jun 2012 #63

Um, contrarian view here, but tax cuts do have a stimulative effect. It's just that tax cuts coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #78

Yes, if they are spent. kentuck Jun 2012 #84

I was listening to NPR Sunday Morning. Savannahmann Jun 2012 #85

The tax cut issue is a red herring, imo, that allows Congress to ignore coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #116

It's a problem when the Repubs are effectively using it... kentuck Jun 2012 #117

It's a problem for sure. No debate from me. But the question of coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #119

Then the Government needs more money to hire people Savannahmann Jun 2012 #122

The government needs to hire people period. The tax coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #126

But the economy will not grow at 3-4% because... kentuck Jun 2012 #131

Then, it would only keep the deficits high...? kentuck Jun 2012 #123

Yet these cuts have destroyed our economy. aquart Jun 2012 #95

That's actually an interesting counter-argument and I think there may coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #118

Quelle Surprise! librechik Jun 2012 #66

Obama will veto any extensions, right? rofl nt msongs Jun 2012 #70

FACT Cigar11 Jun 2012 #72

Your avatar says it all Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #73

This is why the Republicans seem to always control the agenda Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #75

Go right ahead and call...... Flint Stone Jun 2012 #76

You're right, I give up. WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #91

No, I haven't given up Flint Stone Jun 2012 #97

When did you figure this out Flint Stone? kentuck Jun 2012 #100

I guess I do Flint Stone Jun 2012 #110

kentuck, I honestly think the only reason this subject has vaulted into debate at THIS moment Samantha Jun 2012 #129

Very perceptive. kentuck Jun 2012 #132

I appreciate your concern. WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #101

7 assholes plus every Republican is still less than 60. dawg Jun 2012 #79

In anything that must be done there are always at least seven assholes TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #99

Your genius and insight should not go unnoticed. I notice. -eom Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #105

President Obama needs to put maximum pressure on these Senators steve2470 Jun 2012 #81

Done - Will Call Everyday otohara Jun 2012 #82

I didn't like him very much at the time but you know who would never put up with this? tularetom Jun 2012 #83

Unfortunately, many of them do not know how the Democratic Party works... kentuck Jun 2012 #89

@#$%&*!!! freshwest Jun 2012 #87

Many folk in 2010 were willing to play this game theaocp Jun 2012 #90

It's probably "Defense" cuts this time, as they are the ones who will scream waaaaaaaay louder than patrice Jun 2012 #93

This is how the 1%/Third Way makes Dems ineffective: Infiltrate. Divide. Conquer. Zorra Jun 2012 #92

Buy just enough Democrats to keep them defensive, but don't give them enough $$$$$ to patrice Jun 2012 #96

If this is true..? kentuck Jun 2012 #98

That's exactly what it means. Not just the budget, but EVERYTHING on the calendar, just like 2010. patrice Jun 2012 #109

Forced to vote the 1%ers are easy to spot no matter their affiliations nineteen50 Jun 2012 #102

kick nt steve2470 Jun 2012 #107

Pryor's office was very perfunctory and kind of snotty. patrice Jun 2012 #108

Thank you for calling. WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #112

Yes. every day. patrice Jun 2012 #136

Gonna go ahead and add the Kansas "representation" to my call list just to needle them. nt patrice Jun 2012 #137

Well they can do nothing and the taxes will go back then and there. hrmjustin Jun 2012 #120

If the Democrats win...? kentuck Jun 2012 #125

Well the house would need to go first by law and the house is... hrmjustin Jun 2012 #135

Maybe they will and maybe they won't... kentuck Jun 2012 #138

Same old shit. mmonk Jun 2012 #121

And the "same old shit" is bad .. kentuck Jun 2012 #124

Indeed and it makes me weary. mmonk Jun 2012 #139

Me too... kentuck Jun 2012 #141

Just got a beg letter from Tester. Guess what my answer was. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #130

I tried calling Mary Landrieu's office all day revolution breeze Jun 2012 #134

it's all BS Skittles Jun 2012 #148

Who do I call? And what are their phone #'s?? ErikJ Jun 2012 #150

Sens. Jon Tester (Mont.) Joe Manchin (W.Va.) Ben Nelson (Neb.) Jim Webb (Va.) Claire McCaskill. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #151

like I have been saying... geekd Jun 2012 #152

That's T-Bagger strategy ErikJ Jun 2012 #153

toadies huh?? geekd Jun 2012 #171

No. We need to establish OUR OWN bona fides & what you demand is the opposite of doing so. Critical patrice Jun 2012 #163

quite the contrary geekd Jun 2012 #170

Well, Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #154

Some fax numbers eridani Jun 2012 #159

kick nt steve2470 Jun 2012 #162

Raise taxes across the board, it's the only way. rightwinger77 Jun 2012 #168

Dear Senators Blue Dog: markpkessinger Jun 2012 #169