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jodymarie aimee

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Wed Nov 30, 2016, 02:42 PM Nov 2016

What would happen if a vote recount somehow found that Hillary Clinton won the presidency? [View all]



What would happen if a vote recount somehow found that Hillary Clinton won the presidency?

Then we can have a real conversation about fixing, replacing, and/or eliminating the Electoral College. This is the second time in less than 20 years that a candidate has won the popular vote but did not win because of the Electoral College vote. It is the fifth time out of 45 presidents. That's 1 out of every 9 presidents. That's a high failure rate.

If the US were overseeing an election in a newly democratic nation, we would not accept that the candidate who got the most votes did not become the leader of that nation. Yet we're perfectly fine with accepting it here.

However, there hasn't been a real conversation about it for two main reasons. One, the two times it has happened recently, it has only affected Democratic candidates. Any suggestion that it needs to be fixed is going to be seen as sour grapes on the part of Democrats. Two, the last time it happened prior to 2000 was in the late 1800s, which suggests to some that it is a minor anomaly.

But it's not. This is a real problem. And I don't know the solution. I like the National Popular Vote (NPV) idea. Please google it if you don't know what it is. In short, it's an interstate compact whereby individual states agree to cast their Electoral College votes for whoever gets the most votes nationally, but it only goes into effect if the combined total of signatory states’ electoral votes meets or exceeds 270. Currently, ten or eleven states have signed on to it, and their votes total about half of what is needed. I think it's a great idea, myself.

But I'm not married to the idea. If someone came up with something they believe is a better voting scheme that better represents the will of the people let's hear that idea.

The current system doesn't work very well, though. Something needs to be done, and I think a reversal of the election based on a recount would be an excellent catalyst for the conversation
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i don't think hillary winning would lead to any change in the electoral vs. popular vote debate. unblock Nov 2016 #1
You know what? I don't care, let them go ape-shit all they want. They're counting on us to do monmouth4 Nov 2016 #4
At least we would have a fighting chance in a civil war world wide wally Nov 2016 #14
She DID win the Presidency. By more than 2.3 million votes. TygrBright Nov 2016 #2
She didn't though oberliner Nov 2016 #17
Trump still feels the elction was rigged. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #3
What does gerrymandering SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #6
I was referring to the general election. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #7
Thanks, my bad n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
Or my imprecision. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #9
None of the currently suggested ideas....... WillowTree Nov 2016 #5
No good would come of overturning an election loyalsister Nov 2016 #10
If he got more votes maybe world wide wally Nov 2016 #15
Its a tough call...Hillary won CA & NY by 6 million votes, but "only" won like 21 states. jmg257 Nov 2016 #11
states are not people. people are people. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #12
We are the United States...the States have certain roles to play in govt, in balancing power, jmg257 Nov 2016 #19
You know what happened when I moved from one state to another? kcr Nov 2016 #18
Unfortunately for you, the Union was/is built around balancing power between the people, the states, jmg257 Nov 2016 #20
No kidding, jmg257. That's why we're talking about it. kcr Dec 2016 #22
Keep talking dumbcat Dec 2016 #23
absolutely nothing. nt TeamPooka Nov 2016 #13
The EC needs fair representation is all. world wide wally Nov 2016 #16
Hilarity Would Ensue. Liberal In Texas Nov 2016 #21
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