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Hekate

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110. The word you are looking for is "scapegoat." "Figureheads" are only there for the look of it....

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 06:18 PM

Nov 2016

Both Pelosi and Clinton are exceptionally qualified and hardworking women, Democrats to the core. They are not anybody's figurehead on the prow of a ship.

Scapegoats, on the other hand, are blamed for the sins and faults of a group and are driven out with stones, often killed as a symbolic gesture of eliminating the sin from the community.

Pelosi is still in Congress, her position having been reaffirmed by a vote of both her constituents and her caucus.

Hillary Clinton has finally suffered the fate of the scapegoat, after surviving smears and lies from the Right all these decades. Her political career is kaput, over, finished, dead. And now she is to be driven out of the Democratic community to "die in the wilderness" by people who should know better?

Give me a fucking break.

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How is it that Pelosi's age is a stumbling block for her, but Bernie who is also old [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 OP

aging while female? eShirl Nov 2016 #1

leading while female La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #2

she's damn good at what she knows best... secondwind Nov 2016 #93

Excellent Question Me. Nov 2016 #3

He is a man so he can do no wrong and is perfect bravenak Nov 2016 #4

he is a man who can lead till he dies, but the rest of us have a much shorter shelf life. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #6

Well, we are corrupt and we use our gender to decide our votes and stuff bravenak Nov 2016 #9

identity politics, which is nasty. although it has resulted in Civil rights act La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #13

Focusing on that stuff and helping the oppressed is racist to the important people. White dudes bravenak Nov 2016 #15

bravo mercuryblues Nov 2016 #26

They have no clue what respect is bravenak Nov 2016 #31

all friggin white supremacists are going to be there bdamomma Nov 2016 #47

I hope they turn on his ass with the quickness bravenak Nov 2016 #48

And calling people "Pocahontas", "lying", "crooked", etc. George II Nov 2016 #73

To me her age and gender have nothing to do with it Txbluedog Nov 2016 #5

Tim Ryan is a mediocre back bencher who is anti choice La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #7

Actually I also prefer Pelosi between the two Txbluedog Nov 2016 #10

i said this here before, if we found a better person than pelosi, i would be open to it La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #11

They why did they not run? Hekate Nov 2016 #107

Because Pelosi was running Txbluedog Nov 2016 #115

Like Hillary, she lacks that certain je ne sais quoi.... Hekate Nov 2016 #8

Dissapointed in your post Txbluedog Nov 2016 #19

the job of the ec was to protect the landed class. niyad Nov 2016 #36

Considering the EC just gave us a genuine gold-plated fascist, what we need is a Constitutional .... Hekate Nov 2016 #45

A constitutional convention may happen yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #67

That is a frightening prospect Txbluedog Nov 2016 #74

They have a system of cheating right now, so I fear they could make more gains... C Moon Nov 2016 #92

The EC has always elected the President since our country was founded Txbluedog Nov 2016 #70

And I yours. George II Nov 2016 #77

it would have been nice if you could have elaborated Txbluedog Nov 2016 #79

so you are cool w election that arent one man-one vote then? mopinko Dec 2016 #134

I never said I was cool with it Txbluedog Dec 2016 #135

you are unclear on the this, then. mopinko Dec 2016 #136

the political penis--LOVE it!! or, as some of us refer to it--the engorged clitoris niyad Nov 2016 #35

Well said! mcar Nov 2016 #106

Isn't it obvous why? And this prejudice stands despite the fact that lunamagica Nov 2016 #12

Did she lose her job or something? melman Nov 2016 #14

of course she didn't lose her job, i was addressing people on DU La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #25

Regardless that there are no links to these people on DU that are having a conniption about age LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #90

linking posts on DU goes against DU rules for personal call outs. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #103

Pure fabrication. n/t ronnie624 Nov 2016 #129

Lol La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #130

that's it? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #137

Yes, if the attack on her is ageist.. JHan Nov 2016 #16

... Quayblue Nov 2016 #99

I think they both should go. randome Nov 2016 #17

"It may not be fair but I don't really care anymore" is the kind of thinking that got us Trump. Hekate Nov 2016 #109

Except the end game of Trump supporters is to benefit themselves. randome Nov 2016 #113

Yes, there is something different about them. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #18

The 'youth' didn't come out in the numbers he needed. randome Nov 2016 #20

When last I checked, Sanders did not run in the GE. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #21

You're right. He couldn't get out of the starting gate (i.e. the Primary). randome Nov 2016 #22

Perceptive. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #28

Already did. I want Pelosi, Sanders, Schumer, all the other septuagenarians to step aside. randome Nov 2016 #38

Fair enough. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #39

...unfortunately. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #24

a man who has been part of the political establishment for over 2 decades is now an outsider La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #23

Teach it, La Lioness! Cha Nov 2016 #29

Could be that's why I used the word "perceived" Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #30

Commercial branding is indeed, a critical element for the lazy mind LanternWaste Nov 2016 #57

But, as is routinely pointed out here, he's not a Democrat. progressoid Nov 2016 #118

"Perceptions" as opposed to facts will be the death of us.Sanders has been around Washington forever Hekate Nov 2016 #53

The perception had more to do with his distance from the Democratic political apparatus... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #95

She needs surgery ... AirmensMom Nov 2016 #27

I see what you did there. fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #33

Used to be the standard requirement at work. AirmensMom Nov 2016 #42

....... bdamomma Nov 2016 #50

K&R TonyCapo Nov 2016 #32

It's probably because Sanders primary opponent was roughly the same age, and hughee99 Nov 2016 #34

yes, i am glad the push back did not have any effect La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #37

I think it's just a tactic that's used to try to make a candidate look better. hughee99 Nov 2016 #43

multiple academic studies show that perceptions of age are gender specific La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #44

Fair enough. I certainly wouldn't rule out gender bias as a factor, hughee99 Nov 2016 #82

bernie represents the age group with the lowest voter turnout. nt msongs Nov 2016 #40

On Pelosi's watch pscot Nov 2016 #41

what you are criticizing pelosi for is not her job. her job is to keep democrats in line La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #46

Pelosi is a figurehead. She is wrongly cast by the GOP as all that is evil with the DNC. randome Nov 2016 #52

sure if these individuals stepped up (or exist). ryan is not obama like in any regard La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #54

Agree that Ryan has nothing but a youngish cast to his puppy dog eyes. randome Nov 2016 #62

pelosi is only a demon to older conservative white people, she is not a demon to young democrats. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #63

That doesn't matter. She is cast as representative of the DNC. randome Nov 2016 #76

or maybe they have to see her in action. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #87

Whatever she's doing or not doing, it does not appear to be helping. randome Nov 2016 #91

THIS EXACTLY JI7 Nov 2016 #127

The word you are looking for is "scapegoat." "Figureheads" are only there for the look of it.... Hekate Nov 2016 #110

Pelosi and Clinton are everything you said they are. And they are not what's needed. randome Nov 2016 #112

My comment was not about this election pscot Nov 2016 #59

the head of the DNC is appointed by Obama, as he is the functional head of the democratic party La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #61

Bernie's not a leader... brooklynite Nov 2016 #49

oh I see a gender war brewing bdamomma Nov 2016 #51

Is Bernie up for House Minority leader? vi5 Nov 2016 #55

no, but some of the same people who were fine at voting for a 75 year old for president La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #56

Wait, we got to vote for House Minority leader? vi5 Nov 2016 #58

did i say anything about voting? you seem to be very confused. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #60

Wow, yeah I must be confused... vi5 Nov 2016 #117

Because Bernie is transformational and disruptive while Pelosi is slow-going establishment. SpankMe Nov 2016 #64

how exactly is nancy staid or acting her age? what is your evidence for this? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #66

Utter nonsense. Check her voting record. Pelosi is one of the most liberal pnwmom Nov 2016 #69

Bernie isn't a democrat. nt leftyladyfrommo Nov 2016 #71

If Nancy Proposed Free Stuff otohara Nov 2016 #114

I would think her 35 million net worth would be a bigger liability. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2016 #65

sure. that at least has some legitimacy. but that is not the argument i have seen at all. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #68

Yes Txbluedog Nov 2016 #75

Without reading any of the other responses.... George II Nov 2016 #72

They are both old. They are also both equally capable. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #78

sure. i think Bernie could easily do the job of the president and she can do her job as minority La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #83

Easily. Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #88

Not her age HassleCat Nov 2016 #80

and sanders has a long legacy of service too. yet i's an advantage for him, not her. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #81

just imagine moosewhisperer Nov 2016 #84

more of the fact she is a RALLYING NAME to the RITE wing conspiracy fux/ditto heads. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #85

absolutely, but the right will not vote for democrats anyway. so why indulge them. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #89

Okay, getting past the obvious hypocrisy in treating the two differently.... Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #86

Well, they, not me, just elected a president elmac Nov 2016 #94

"We are now the Misogynist States of ameriKa." Indeed. nt Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #111

age isn't the problem with pelosi, she's not doing okieinpain Nov 2016 #96

what do you think she should be doing? i find that most people criticizing her expect her to do the La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #97

so what has she done, because it's kinda hard to okieinpain Nov 2016 #98

she helped pass obamacare, which was a huge uphill battle because she had to convince La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #100

Isn't it amazing that so many Democrats "know" our leaders have "done nothing"... Hekate Nov 2016 #101

it seems that they all want to take their anger out on people not responsible La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #102

Right. Because they "know" what ain't so Hekate Nov 2016 #104

Makes you wonder, no? mcar Nov 2016 #105

White dangly bits between the legs fix everything. Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #108

It's not age, it's duration. Give someone else a chance every decade or so. Vinca Nov 2016 #116

You're blaming her for stuff that is not her job La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #119

I don't think anyone deserves a position for life. It's not a regime, it's a party. Vinca Nov 2016 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author elmac Nov 2016 #123

She was voted in to office. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #128

while male privilege Hamlette Nov 2016 #120

Leadership in a group should develop successors lostnfound Nov 2016 #122

This is literally the worst time for inexperienced leaders La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #124

If she hasn't grown a suitable successor in 12 years, she's failed. lostnfound Nov 2016 #131

Would prefer someone younger, smarter, less feminine that doesn't need to be told how to do things elmac Nov 2016 #125

Her age doesn't bother me awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #126

I also do not understand this Gothmog Dec 2016 #132

To be perfectly honest, Pelosi has been working hard (for a politician for years) Fresh_Start Dec 2016 #133